Semi-OT - forum censorship

I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and
this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate
information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my
heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its
customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit
company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the
sharing of information as their primary goal.

I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely
here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely
uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had
some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am
not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been
wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that
decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on
advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL
be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums
like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my
body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like
here.

--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com

I saw that too - I was very surprised.

There's also so many rules now about what you can post and where you can
post it I mostly just read the lobby and look for cat pics

I can't help but compare it to the kayaking board - similar concepts but so
different in execution. The owner of that board now takes ads too, and you
can "buy" a membership - but the only time the admins intervene is when the
guys (it's almost always males) get to abusive name calling and/or threats
(real or not they are against the user agreement).

Good for you on your decision!!

Kathy k
"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this
really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information
about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a
popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other
sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for
some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their
primary goal.

I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely
here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely
uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some
time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not
giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been
wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that
decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on
advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be
contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like
www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and
voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here.

--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com

From the WC User Agreement:
"The Private Messaging system we use is a facility only available to
registered members of WetCanvas!. Private messages are stored on our server.
We will not open your private messaging folders except to investigate a
report of abuse, to protect our servers, or if required to do so by law. "

If they are viewing/editing private messages (as opposed to public posts),
they are in violation of their own rules, and that's a pretty egregious
invasion of privacy.

Some of their other rules also seem pretty draconian, protecting/promoting
their "member partners" but gagging other business associated persons.

Oh, well, no loss to me, never used it.

Val
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www.beadwizard.com
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"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and
this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate
information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my
heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its
customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit
company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the
sharing of information as their primary goal.

I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely
here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely
uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had
some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am
not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been
wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that
decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on
advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL
be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums
like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my
body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like
here.

--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com

What a shame! I have to admit, I rarely look at WC anymore unless someone
wants me to see something there and e-mails me a link. I just don't have
time to go through it all.

--
Jerri
www.beadbimbo.com
To subscribe to my mailing list, send an e-mail to: with
"Subscribe" in the subject line.


"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this
really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information
about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a
popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other
sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for
some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their
primary goal.

I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely
here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely
uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some
time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not
giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been
wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that
decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on
advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be
contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like
www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and
voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here.

--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com

I really enjoy the wearable art show and tell, it gives me loads of
inspiration! I save all the photo's of jewellery that I love in a folder
and then look through it when my muse needs a kick up the arse!

Charlie.

"Beadbimbo" wrote in message
...
What a shame! I have to admit, I rarely look at WC anymore unless someone
wants me to see something there and e-mails me a link. I just don't have
time to go through it all.

--
Jerri
www.beadbimbo.com
To subscribe to my mailing list, send an e-mail to:
with
"Subscribe" in the subject line.


"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this
really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information
about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a
popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other
sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has
for
some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their
primary goal.

I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely
here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely
uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had
some
time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not
giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been
wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that
decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on
advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL
be
contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like
www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body
and
voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here.

--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com

I love the photos... and, for that matter, the members are the real
reason I go there. For the most part, I really like the people.

Charlie wrote:
I really enjoy the wearable art show and tell, it gives me loads of
inspiration! I save all the photo's of jewellery that I love in a folder
and then look through it when my muse needs a kick up the arse!

Charlie.

"Beadbimbo" wrote in message
...

What a shame! I have to admit, I rarely look at WC anymore unless someone
wants me to see something there and e-mails me a link. I just don't have
time to go through it all.

--
Jerri
www.beadbimbo.com
To subscribe to my mailing list, send an e-mail to:

with

"Subscribe" in the subject line.


"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...

I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this
really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information
about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a
popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other
sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has

for

some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their
primary goal.

I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely
here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely
uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had

some

time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not
giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been
wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that
decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on
advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL

be

contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like
www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body

and

voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here.

--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com





--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com

Is this stated somewhere?

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-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com

Oh, boo hoo.

Geez. It's "their" website/forum. They can do what they want, including
making a friggin' profit, banning fools, and monitoring content!

One nice thing about the internet is that there is no shortage of domain
names and web servers. You don't like somebody's website or forum? Start
yer own with yer own precious "core values", already. Let's see how long
YOU remain non-profit and altruistic.

You need to get a life if some forum has you "really, really upset". It's
a simple solution: Just don't go there any more.






"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and
this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate
information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my
heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its
customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit
company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the
sharing of information as their primary goal.

I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely
here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely
uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had
some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am
not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been
wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that
decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on
advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL
be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums
like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my
body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like
here.

--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com

Completely uncalled for. Kalera raised some great points, and your
abrasive, abusive post makes you appear very unintelligent and belligerent.
WC has had problems for a long time, and there are many people who feel this
way about it. It's her right to call them out on censoring private
messages, and to let the beadmaking community know about it. It's called
"word of mouth" and it's very effective.


--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

Oh, boo hoo.

Geez. It's "their" website/forum. They can do what they want, including
making a friggin' profit, banning fools, and monitoring content!

One nice thing about the internet is that there is no shortage of domain
names and web servers. You don't like somebody's website or forum?
Start
yer own with yer own precious "core values", already. Let's see how long
YOU remain non-profit and altruistic.

You need to get a life if some forum has you "really, really upset".
It's
a simple solution: Just don't go there any more.






"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and
this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate
information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my
heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its
customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit
company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the
sharing of information as their primary goal.

I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely
here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely
uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had
some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am
not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been
wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that
decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on
advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL
be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums
like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my
body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like
here.

--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com