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Old May 3rd 04, 07:22 AM
Leslie in Missouri
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Okay. When I finish a quilt thru the quilting and do my squaring up, I
have always just laid rulers to the quilted sandwich and squared it with
my trusty rotary cutter. Now, I have heard (on this ng, no less!) that
my binding needs to be "full". How does one square the quilted sandwich
and still leave a margin of batting around the edges to "fill" the
binding? Could I add batting back on the edge of the quilted sandwich
by sewing a one inch (or so) strip of batting on along with the binding?
Could I lightly stuff the binding with poly-fill by poking it with a
narrow dowel as I hand sew the back side of the binding down? This
isn't sounding like fun and I don't much like the binding process any
way.... and usually it's all done by machine on *my* quilts at that.
Ideas?

On a lighter note- my precious Simon dog is a 2 yr. old Golden
Retriever/Chow Chow- a breed that originated in China. He's a rather
"exotic" looking, fun-loving, energetic, mischievous, BIG guy with
black-ringed slanted eyes and a black tongue, short floppy ears, a broad
short-ish nosed head and a slick, short deep golden-red coat and he
loves me passionately. I have always affectionately mangled my pets'
names--- Simon has become Simey and Slimey-Simey and Salmon and Sammy
and a few other names as the occasion warrants. Susan, our dog trainer,
and I discussed what to tell the 4H kids in my obedience class when they
inquire what breed Simey is...... we have made a decision. Now, he's
the first, last and only, member of the unofficial breed "Golden Chinese
Fishhead"! ;-)

Leslie and The (much loved) Four Furbabies

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me- My dogs aren't my whole life...they make my
life whole.

RCTQ- Houston 2004..... A good friend will come and bail you out of
jail.... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...
that was fun!"

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Old May 3rd 04, 10:43 AM
Patti
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Hullo Leslie
(and Simon/Salmon/Sammy!)
Full binding:
There was a beautiful explanatory post on here some while ago from Kathy
(the teacher/judge) on bindings. I printed it out, but I'd have to find
it for you to be exact on a quote. Someone else also posted about this
recently, (maybe Roberta?), and I think the gist of it was that when you
square up, instead of cutting to the quarter of an inch - if you are
doing a quarter inch binding, leave it to three eighths or half an inch,
so that you have to roll the sandwich onto itself to fit inside the
binding. I suppose you *could* trim off the extra top and backing if
you wanted to, but I wouldn't have thought that was necessary.
If you wanted to push in some extra stuffing, as you bind, I think
trapunto 'cord' would be a better option than poly batting, as it is
already exactly the right shape.
HTH
..
In article , Leslie in
Missouri writes
Okay. When I finish a quilt thru the quilting and do my squaring up, I
have always just laid rulers to the quilted sandwich and squared it with
my trusty rotary cutter. Now, I have heard (on this ng, no less!) that
my binding needs to be "full". How does one square the quilted sandwich
and still leave a margin of batting around the edges to "fill" the
binding? Could I add batting back on the edge of the quilted sandwich
by sewing a one inch (or so) strip of batting on along with the binding?
Could I lightly stuff the binding with poly-fill by poking it with a
narrow dowel as I hand sew the back side of the binding down? This
isn't sounding like fun and I don't much like the binding process any
way.... and usually it's all done by machine on *my* quilts at that.
Ideas?

On a lighter note- my precious Simon dog is a 2 yr. old Golden
Retriever/Chow Chow- a breed that originated in China. He's a rather
"exotic" looking, fun-loving, energetic, mischievous, BIG guy with
black-ringed slanted eyes and a black tongue, short floppy ears, a broad
short-ish nosed head and a slick, short deep golden-red coat and he
loves me passionately. I have always affectionately mangled my pets'
names--- Simon has become Simey and Slimey-Simey and Salmon and Sammy
and a few other names as the occasion warrants. Susan, our dog trainer,
and I discussed what to tell the 4H kids in my obedience class when they
inquire what breed Simey is...... we have made a decision. Now, he's
the first, last and only, member of the unofficial breed "Golden Chinese
Fishhead"! ;-)

Leslie and The (much loved) Four Furbabies

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me- My dogs aren't my whole life...they make my
life whole.

RCTQ- Houston 2004..... A good friend will come and bail you out of
jail.... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...
that was fun!"


--
Best Regards
pat on the hill
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Old May 3rd 04, 03:48 PM
Roberta Zollner
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Assuming you sewed the binding on with a quarter-inch seam, and it's
supposed to finish at about 3/8 - ½", place the ruler's half-inch line along
the seam (or even give it an extra eighth inch if you like) and cut. You
should end up with a suitable width of batting and backing sticking out from
the raw edge of quilt top/binding. Just make sure you fold the binding flaps
well out of the way -nothing more irritating than trimming off your miter!

If you cut the batting a bit too close before quilting and there isn't
enough left to trim, no problem. just slip in a ½" strip trimmed from the
other sides. No need to baste, it doesn't have room to migrate anywhere. No
sane person would dream of poking polyfill in with a dowel, Leslie ;-)
Roberta in D

"Leslie in Missouri" wrote in message
...
Okay. When I finish a quilt thru the quilting and do my squaring up, I
have always just laid rulers to the quilted sandwich and squared it with
my trusty rotary cutter. Now, I have heard (on this ng, no less!) that
my binding needs to be "full". How does one square the quilted sandwich
and still leave a margin of batting around the edges to "fill" the
binding? Could I add batting back on the edge of the quilted sandwich
by sewing a one inch (or so) strip of batting on along with the binding?
Could I lightly stuff the binding with poly-fill by poking it with a
narrow dowel as I hand sew the back side of the binding down? This
isn't sounding like fun and I don't much like the binding process any
way.... and usually it's all done by machine on *my* quilts at that.
Ideas?

On a lighter note- my precious Simon dog is a 2 yr. old Golden
Retriever/Chow Chow- a breed that originated in China. He's a rather
"exotic" looking, fun-loving, energetic, mischievous, BIG guy with
black-ringed slanted eyes and a black tongue, short floppy ears, a broad
short-ish nosed head and a slick, short deep golden-red coat and he
loves me passionately. I have always affectionately mangled my pets'
names--- Simon has become Simey and Slimey-Simey and Salmon and Sammy
and a few other names as the occasion warrants. Susan, our dog trainer,
and I discussed what to tell the 4H kids in my obedience class when they
inquire what breed Simey is...... we have made a decision. Now, he's
the first, last and only, member of the unofficial breed "Golden Chinese
Fishhead"! ;-)

Leslie and The (much loved) Four Furbabies

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me- My dogs aren't my whole life...they make my
life whole.

RCTQ- Houston 2004..... A good friend will come and bail you out of
jail.... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...
that was fun!"



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Old May 3rd 04, 07:00 PM
Ellison
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Howdy!
"Stuffing" the binding? I never have.
The batting extends past the top and bottom while I'm quilting;
I don't like to run out of batting along the edges, so I give myself plenty
of batting in the layering & pinning process. After I finish the quilting
(always by hand, thank you g), I trim the excess batting w/ my
shiny, sharp scissors. Then, I square up the quilt.
I mark along the edges w/ a chalk pencil or blue washout marker against the
edge of my long squaring-up ruler or yardstick,
to make sure the line is as straight as I think it should be,
BEFORE I cut anything. The top and the batting and the backing
are all lying together along the edge of my ruler,
nothing extra needed. Then I trim w/ the rotary cutter.
There is *no* extra batting needed to make sure the binding lies flat
and is filled w/ the quilt sandwich. With the binding
sewn on to the top/front (double fold binding) and then folded over to the
back, the binding is plenty full; not fat or stuffed, just right (for me).
Sounds like the way you're doing this is right, too.

Previously when we discussed this, a really good response was
included: When Kathy Riley was asked to contribute her advice
as a quilter and a judge, she said:
Aug.27,2003:
I would be happy to:

Choose a binding fabric that complements your quilt. It should look like it
belongs there, and was not an "afterthought."

Consider the proportion of your binding width. Most quilts look great with
a
1/4 to 3/8" binding. Some look better with a wider or narrower one. And in
the case of miniatures, the binding should be scaled down to an appropriate
proportion. In any case, the binding width should be consistent, front and
back, with no puckering or rippling.

Make sure your batting fills the binding completely to the outer edge.
Bindings that are not filled with batting appear loose and flimsy.

Bindings on square or rectangular quilts should be 90 degrees at the
corners.
Less than 90 degress, and your corners will "cup" or curl, more than 90
degrees, and they will be "dog-eared" or flaring outward.

However you cut your binding fabric (straight, cross or bias grain), there
should be no rippling, puckering or stretching in the finished binding.
When
you piece together your binding strips, using a diagonal seam instead of a
straight seam will distibute the seam allowance in the strip so that the
finished binding will not appear bulky in the seamed areas

There are differences of opinion among judges as to sewing technique (hand
vs.
machine). I am of the opinion that, it does not matter what technique is
used
to apply the binding, as long as the finished product is neat, crisp and
professional. If you hand stitch, use a thread that matches your binding
fabric. Nothing looks worse than a dark binding blindstitched with white
thread. Keep your stitches firm invisible and close enough together to
avoid
gaps.

If you machine stitch your binding, keep the thread color as unobtrusive as
possible, unless a contrasting color is an integral part of the design (I
once
judged an art quilt that had variegated thread stippling all along the
binding.
It was COOL!!) Your lines of stitching should be straight and even, with
no
obvious starts or stops.

There is an ongoing "contoversy" regarding the mitered corners of bindings.
Many judges insist that the mitered corners should be sewn closed. I am of
the
opinion that, if the corners lay flat, are perfectly mitered, and do not
pucker
or gap out, I would not consider that a poor miter for judging purposes. On
a
personal note, however, I sew all my miters closed because I like the way it
looks on my own quilts. Since so many judges feel strongly about this, I
would
tell you all to take that few extra minutes to sew your miters closed.

I hope some of these tips will be useful to you all. If I think of any
more,
I'll pass them along.

Kathy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks, Kathy.

So, Leslie, what, if anything, are you not doing like this? ;-)

Ragmop/Sandy--sometimes the process is so automatic,
I don't pay attention to what I'm doing, so I don't know if
I'm missing the subject matter or not... 8-


"Leslie in Missouri" wrote in message
...
Okay. When I finish a quilt thru the quilting and do my squaring up, I
have always just laid rulers to the quilted sandwich and squared it with
my trusty rotary cutter. Now, I have heard (on this ng, no less!) that
my binding needs to be "full". How does one square the quilted sandwich
and still leave a margin of batting around the edges to "fill" the
binding? Could I add batting back on the edge of the quilted sandwich
by sewing a one inch (or so) strip of batting on along with the binding?
Could I lightly stuff the binding with poly-fill by poking it with a
narrow dowel as I hand sew the back side of the binding down? This
isn't sounding like fun and I don't much like the binding process any
way.... and usually it's all done by machine on *my* quilts at that.
Ideas?

On a lighter note- my precious Simon dog is a 2 yr. old Golden
Retriever/Chow Chow- a breed that originated in China. He's a rather
"exotic" looking, fun-loving, energetic, mischievous, BIG guy with
black-ringed slanted eyes and a black tongue, short floppy ears, a broad
short-ish nosed head and a slick, short deep golden-red coat and he
loves me passionately. I have always affectionately mangled my pets'
names--- Simon has become Simey and Slimey-Simey and Salmon and Sammy
and a few other names as the occasion warrants. Susan, our dog trainer,
and I discussed what to tell the 4H kids in my obedience class when they
inquire what breed Simey is...... we have made a decision. Now, he's
the first, last and only, member of the unofficial breed "Golden Chinese
Fishhead"! ;-)

Leslie and The (much loved) Four Furbabies

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me- My dogs aren't my whole life...they make my
life whole.

RCTQ- Houston 2004..... A good friend will come and bail you out of
jail.... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...
that was fun!"



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Old May 3rd 04, 08:01 PM
Leslie in Missouri
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Make sure your batting fills the binding completely to the outer
edge. Bindings that are not filled with batting appear loose and
flimsy.

Thank you, Ragmop, for that quote from Kathy Brown! *That's* the
concept that's bothering me. I guess I didn't word my question quite
properly. When I have finished, my quilted sandwich lays flat, I'm
pretty good at not getting the wobbles, but when I do, I already know
how to deal with that problem. BUT the corners usually are no longer
perfectly square nor are the long sides perfectly straight. IF I trim
the edges of the sandwich to make it all just so, then I don't have any
*extra* batting along the edges to fill-up the binding. My bindings
tend to be a bit "wrinkled" looking- and worse after machine washing and
drying. I thought Kathy's comment was to leave a bit of *extra* batting
beyond the quilted edge and to kinda roll that batting into the binding
to "fill" it up and not get those darn wrinkles. What I asked was how
to trim the quilted top and backing, but still keep an extra edge of
batting to fill the binding. Clear as mud once again, I'm afraid?

Leslie- frustrated and muttering about her bindings never making it to
Paducah ;-)

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me- My dogs aren't my whole life...they make my
life whole.

RCTQ- Houston 2004..... A good friend will come and bail you out of
jail.... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...
that was fun!"

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Old May 3rd 04, 11:08 PM
Marcella Tracy Peek
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Well.....

Sometimes people want a binding wider than 1/4". So they are in the
same situation it sounds like you are in...how to trim and fill that
extra space.

Lay out your quilt.

Using the tools of choice (big rulers, ruler plus square ruler,
carpenters square) draw (I like chalk, but use what you can see and
like) nice right angled corners at the four corners of your quilt. Use
a nice long straight edge to connect the corners for straight sides.
This is the line that's going to be stitched down when you sew the
binding onto the quilt.

Now....draw a nice line 1/4" inch out from that line. This will be the
line you match up the edge of your binding with when you go to sew that
nice 1/4" inch seam that will go down that first drawn line.

Then...cut. If you want just a scootch more batting cut just a smidge
bigger than your line (mebbe an 1/8"?) If you want 1" binding than you
need to cut 3/4" wider than that second line.

Finally, lay your binding strips along that second line you drew. Make
sure the edge of your binding is right along that drawn line. Pin
things in place and sew 1/4" from the edge of your binding.

When you turn your binding to the back, the batting should be nicely
filled and the width you desire.

If you are trying to make plain old 1/4" binding and you are cutting and
sewing exactly 1/4" but ending up with a rather empty binding, the
problem is that your binding strips are too wide. Lots of patterns call
for cutting strips of double fold binding 2 1/2 inches wide. Think
about it. If you fold it in half you have 1 1/4" inches of fabric. Sew
it with a 1/4 inch seam and you have a whole inch to fold over. 1/4
inch covers the top, 1/4 inch covers the thickness of the quilt and you
still have 1/2 inch left over to cover the back when all you need is
1/4"! If you simply fold to the back and sew down just past the seam
you will certainly have extra space in there. Some quilters pull the
binding snug and just have a wider binding on the back than the front.
Nothing wrong with that. The other solution is to cut your binding
strips narrower.

Hope this helps
marcella

In article ,
(Leslie in Missouri) wrote:

Make sure your batting fills the binding completely to the outer

edge. Bindings that are not filled with batting appear loose and
flimsy.

Thank you, Ragmop, for that quote from Kathy Brown! *That's* the
concept that's bothering me. I guess I didn't word my question quite
properly. When I have finished, my quilted sandwich lays flat, I'm
pretty good at not getting the wobbles, but when I do, I already know
how to deal with that problem. BUT the corners usually are no longer
perfectly square nor are the long sides perfectly straight. IF I trim
the edges of the sandwich to make it all just so, then I don't have any
*extra* batting along the edges to fill-up the binding. My bindings
tend to be a bit "wrinkled" looking- and worse after machine washing and
drying. I thought Kathy's comment was to leave a bit of *extra* batting
beyond the quilted edge and to kinda roll that batting into the binding
to "fill" it up and not get those darn wrinkles. What I asked was how
to trim the quilted top and backing, but still keep an extra edge of
batting to fill the binding. Clear as mud once again, I'm afraid?

Leslie- frustrated and muttering about her bindings never making it to
Paducah ;-)

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me- My dogs aren't my whole life...they make my
life whole.

RCTQ- Houston 2004..... A good friend will come and bail you out of
jail.... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...
that was fun!"

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Old May 3rd 04, 11:24 PM
Ellison
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Howdy!
I thought that's what you meant, to leave a bit of extra batting there
along the edge. I don't. Folding over the binding give substance
and fullness inside the binding. At least for me.
Leslie, come over; we'll work on some binding together.

Btw, I've tended to leave a bit too much fabric in the mitered corner,
and I can't stand that; I always go back and fix it. In training myself to
be a bit spare on the miter, I've also learned to trim a bit of the corner
under the miter when I'm folding it over; less lumpy and lies flat better.
*sigh* The more I learn, the easier my early efforts seem. G

http://www.qnm.com/articles/feature29/index2.html
http://quilting.about.com/library/weekly/aa102298.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian...ta/14/id24.htm
http://www.geocities.com/quiltfrenzy/miter.html
http://www.bobrow.net/kimberly/Quilt...al/index6.html

Good pictures of the quilter leaving some extra batting
while she sews on the binding; the last picture shows no extra
batting, so she must have trimmed it flush before folding over.
http://www.quiltingworks.com/howto/binding-101.htm

Squaring the corners/quilt:
http://www.quiltuniversity.com/squaring_up.htm
http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/cr_quilting...471553,00.html
http://members.aol.com/SangerSL/qltfin.html


Ragmop/Sandy--just (way) down the road, but available for road trips ;-D

"Leslie in Missouri" wrote in message
...
Make sure your batting fills the binding completely to the outer

edge. Bindings that are not filled with batting appear loose and
flimsy.

Thank you, Ragmop, for that quote from Kathy Brown! *That's* the
concept that's bothering me. I guess I didn't word my question quite
properly. When I have finished, my quilted sandwich lays flat, I'm
pretty good at not getting the wobbles, but when I do, I already know
how to deal with that problem. BUT the corners usually are no longer
perfectly square nor are the long sides perfectly straight. IF I trim
the edges of the sandwich to make it all just so, then I don't have any
*extra* batting along the edges to fill-up the binding. My bindings
tend to be a bit "wrinkled" looking- and worse after machine washing and
drying. I thought Kathy's comment was to leave a bit of *extra* batting
beyond the quilted edge and to kinda roll that batting into the binding
to "fill" it up and not get those darn wrinkles. What I asked was how
to trim the quilted top and backing, but still keep an extra edge of
batting to fill the binding. Clear as mud once again, I'm afraid?

Leslie- frustrated and muttering about her bindings never making it to
Paducah ;-)

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me- My dogs aren't my whole life...they make my
life whole.

RCTQ- Houston 2004..... A good friend will come and bail you out of
jail.... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...
that was fun!"



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Old May 4th 04, 03:44 PM
Dr. Quilter
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but but stuffed doesn't mean you need more than one thickness, right?

Patti wrote:

Hullo Leslie
(and Simon/Salmon/Sammy!)
Full binding:
There was a beautiful explanatory post on here some while ago from Kathy
(the teacher/judge) on bindings. I printed it out, but I'd have to find
it for you to be exact on a quote. Someone else also posted about this
recently, (maybe Roberta?), and I think the gist of it was that when you
square up, instead of cutting to the quarter of an inch - if you are
doing a quarter inch binding, leave it to three eighths or half an inch,
so that you have to roll the sandwich onto itself to fit inside the
binding. I suppose you *could* trim off the extra top and backing if
you wanted to, but I wouldn't have thought that was necessary.
If you wanted to push in some extra stuffing, as you bind, I think
trapunto 'cord' would be a better option than poly batting, as it is
already exactly the right shape.
HTH
.
In article , Leslie in
Missouri writes

Okay. When I finish a quilt thru the quilting and do my squaring up, I
have always just laid rulers to the quilted sandwich and squared it with
my trusty rotary cutter. Now, I have heard (on this ng, no less!) that
my binding needs to be "full". How does one square the quilted sandwich
and still leave a margin of batting around the edges to "fill" the
binding? Could I add batting back on the edge of the quilted sandwich
by sewing a one inch (or so) strip of batting on along with the binding?
Could I lightly stuff the binding with poly-fill by poking it with a
narrow dowel as I hand sew the back side of the binding down? This
isn't sounding like fun and I don't much like the binding process any
way.... and usually it's all done by machine on *my* quilts at that.
Ideas?

On a lighter note- my precious Simon dog is a 2 yr. old Golden
Retriever/Chow Chow- a breed that originated in China. He's a rather
"exotic" looking, fun-loving, energetic, mischievous, BIG guy with
black-ringed slanted eyes and a black tongue, short floppy ears, a broad
short-ish nosed head and a slick, short deep golden-red coat and he
loves me passionately. I have always affectionately mangled my pets'
names--- Simon has become Simey and Slimey-Simey and Salmon and Sammy
and a few other names as the occasion warrants. Susan, our dog trainer,
and I discussed what to tell the 4H kids in my obedience class when they
inquire what breed Simey is...... we have made a decision. Now, he's
the first, last and only, member of the unofficial breed "Golden Chinese
Fishhead"! ;-)

Leslie and The (much loved) Four Furbabies

The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me- My dogs aren't my whole life...they make my
life whole.

RCTQ- Houston 2004..... A good friend will come and bail you out of
jail.... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...
that was fun!"



--
Dr. Quilter
Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens
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(take the dog out before replying)
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Old May 8th 04, 01:57 PM
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Hi, Les, I took Kathy's class and learned a lot. Perhaps you are not
cutting the binding strip the right size. Kathy rec. cutting the strip
the size you want times six plus one-quarter inch. Example: l/2 inch
binding X 6= 6" plus l/4" for fabric needed for the 'fold-over room'. We
also learned to hand baste the perfectly straight quilt edge before
adding the binding. It kept all layers smoothly in place. Bindings will
wobble if sewn on too loosely, so a walking foot and a light tug on the
binding when sewing will help, too. Also, on another note about dog
names, we had a brown terrier mix we called Scooter. My kids corrupted
the name to Scuppy do, Duppy do, and finally to Dup (rhymes with Cup). A
stranger once asked us 'why do you call your dog Duck?" 8^) Nancycog
in MD

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Old May 8th 04, 03:21 PM
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The love of my life (in Dogs that is) was named Sydney Leroux. He was a
Australian shepherd, chocolate lab, dalmation, and a little pit bull mix.
The smartest most angelic 80 pounds there ever was. Sydney, because of the
Aussie and Leroux for a Liqour product my husband marketed at the time. He
was called everything from rooty tooty to rudy. He is gone 5 years and I
still miss my "best boy". Very protective of his mommy and the kids said he
was the favorite kid. Of course he was. I always knew where he was and what
he was up to, he never asked for money, didn't need designer anything, and
never complained about the food. He was the perfect kid. lol If cloning
were an exact science and would produce the personality and all the same, I
would clone Roux. sigh.

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