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just stained glass
Sheesh! I didn't mean to get everyone started insulting each other. Maybe I
should have worded my original post differently... like, "I'm not into the glassblowing, and kiln stuff but I love making stained glass windows/panels. I'm a lazy ass, so would rather not sift through the stuff posted in this group that deals with glassblowing and kilns. Is there a newsgroup where people post only about stained glass? ....and not the glassblowing kind of thing?" I'm getting the feeling that this group might be my best option. I'm not looking for someplace to buy glass or supplies, just a place where "stained glassers" post hints, and tips, .....ideas about making stained glass panels, drawing patterns, etc. I can sift through the blowing, and kiln posts if this is the only newsgroup where people post the stuff I'm intereted in. It's cool. Thanks |
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Maybe you missed it in my original post, but here's a link to a number
of different boards. Many are almost exclusively about stained glass. Most get more traffic than this one. All have instant posting. http://www.thestorefinder.com/glass/glass_bb.html |
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If you're curious why the animosity, it's because I routinely advocate
that glass artisans that buy supplies to make into a product for resale should not be buying from retail shops but should buy at the same wholesale prices as retail shops. I created a business specifically to provide that opportunity to working artisans. It's ****ed off a lot of retailers. http://www.victorianartglass.biz. |
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wrote in message oups.com... If you're curious why the animosity, it's because I routinely advocate that glass artisans that buy supplies to make into a product for resale should not be buying from retail shops but should buy at the same wholesale prices as retail shops. I created a business specifically to provide that opportunity to working artisans. It's ****ed off a lot of retailers. http://www.victorianartglass.biz. It isn't JUST the retailers you **** off. It's pretty much everybody in the whole glass business, including manufacturers, importers, artisans, and hobbiests. Your entire business model, if you can call it that, is pure self-serving nonsense. |
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So far the only complaints have come from retailers. The manufacturers
are happy to sell to us, we do our own importing (and exporting), and the distributors and artisans seem happy to buy from us. The only concern expressed by hobbyists is that we don't sell to them - but we am negotiating to supply E-tailers that will. Here's an example why the retailers are upset: http://www.victorianartglass.biz/spe...o/specials.htm Self serving? Of course - but it also serves to provide better pricing to working artisans. If you use the materials to make a for sale product, you should buy those materials wholesale. Retailers are to serve the hobbyists. |
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"Will Woodard" wrote in message .. . Sheesh! I didn't mean to get everyone started insulting each other. Maybe I should have worded my original post differently... like, "I'm not into the glassblowing, and kiln stuff but I love making stained glass windows/panels. I'm a lazy ass, so would rather not sift through the stuff posted in this group that deals with glassblowing and kilns. Is there a newsgroup where people post only about stained glass? ....and not the glassblowing kind of thing?" I'm getting the feeling that this group might be my best option. I'm not looking for someplace to buy glass or supplies, just a place where "stained glassers" post hints, and tips, .....ideas about making stained glass panels, drawing patterns, etc. I can sift through the blowing, and kiln posts if this is the only newsgroup where people post the stuff I'm intereted in. It's cool. Thanks Ah, hell, Will, we're just having alittle fun at Dennis's expense and get carried away, or maybe not... But if you have a glass curious type question, fire it out there, nobody will jump you. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Self serving? Of course - but it also serves to provide better pricing to working artisans. If you use the materials to make a for sale product, you should buy those materials wholesale. Retailers are to serve the hobbyists. Nonsense. Absolute total nonsense. By your logic, then, I should pay retail pricing for the materials on any gifts I might make? All you are trying to do is lend some artifical credibility to a bunch of basement bandits and wannabes. The cost of the glass and metal in any stained glass project is a very small percentage of the selling price...that is, if the project is actually being built by a real professional artisan. Me spending $30-50 more for supplies on a $1000 sale is certainly worth the convenience of having a local source for that odd piece of glass or whatever I need on short notice. I'm far from a hobbyist...and I use retailers for virtually all of my supplies. Know why? Because when that retailer gets an inquiry on a major repair or restoration or for new work that they can't handle, I get a phone call. So, I spend a few extra bucks a month keeping the local economy going, and it comes back to me in spades. When I walk into a store, they know me. I don't have to give them a customer number and a password and wait for two friggin' weeks for some bozo to process an order. |
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No, Dennis.
Wholesale is for people who regularly purchase reasonable and case quantities and know good business relations depend on both parties, so they know how the business works and what the terminology might be. The savings from this regularity for the source results in savings for the customer. Retail is for answering all the questions from people who want to spend as little as possible on just enough glass and other supplies for a single project, including the (fortunately) relatively rare people who believe that if they break a piece of glass they should get a free replacement and those who demand obsiquiousness ["You are the employee and I am the customer and don't give me that attitude."] Somewhere in between are the people who make more stuff than the hobbiests but not so much as the professionals but think, more or less accurately, that they should get the advantages of the latter. The more obnoxious ones think that all suppliers should somehow be forced to the standard of the more polite ones that treat them as wholesale customers. -- Mike Firth No more levees Bury old Orleans Raise New Orleans up if it is worth saving -- "Moonraker" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Self serving? Of course - but it also serves to provide better pricing to working artisans. If you use the materials to make a for sale product, you should buy those materials wholesale. Retailers are to serve the hobbyists. Nonsense. Absolute total nonsense. By your logic, then, I should pay retail pricing for the materials on any gifts I might make? All you are trying to do is lend some artifical credibility to a bunch of basement bandits and wannabes. The cost of the glass and metal in any stained glass project is a very small percentage of the selling price...that is, if the project is actually being built by a real professional artisan. Me spending $30-50 more for supplies on a $1000 sale is certainly worth the convenience of having a local source for that odd piece of glass or whatever I need on short notice. I'm far from a hobbyist...and I use retailers for virtually all of my supplies. Know why? Because when that retailer gets an inquiry on a major repair or restoration or for new work that they can't handle, I get a phone call. So, I spend a few extra bucks a month keeping the local economy going, and it comes back to me in spades. When I walk into a store, they know me. I don't have to give them a customer number and a password and wait for two friggin' weeks for some bozo to process an order. |
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