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Old July 8th 03, 07:27 PM
Kalera Stratton
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Arrrgh, I've hardly been able to get on the newsgroup lately, I'm having
withdrawals! (I spend all my free time waiting for the baby to sleep so
I can make beads... I've finally gotten comfortable enough with my torch
to be productive! Yay!)

Anyway, I know this is a subject that gets hashed and rehashed
periodically, and yes, I have seen the recent threads on the Wetcanvas
boards, but I wanted to ask those folks here who have a bead kiln which
kiln they use, what they like about it, what they dislike about it, any
problems they've had, what they wish was different about it, why they
chose it in the first place, whether they would choose the same kiln
again or a different kiln, and why.

I can't afford a new kiln right now, but I am an obsessive comparison
shopper and I MUST buy a bead kiln by the end of the year... using my
top-loading fusing kiln to garage beads is killing my hands and my
energy budget.

Thanks for any input!

--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
See us at www.strattonhome.org
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  #2  
Old July 8th 03, 11:27 PM
Kandice Seeber
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I have a Fusebox kiln - similar to the one pictured he

http://www.frantzartglass.com/Itemdesc.asp?CartId={87F1AF7A-0683-444D-AAE5-627666CE107F}&ic=131111&Tp=

I bought mine from Frantz a year or so ago, and the one they have now is the
updated version with the digital controller attached. I have essentially
the same thing, but my digital controller is a seperate unit, and my kiln is
blue instead of grey.

The only thing I don't like about my kiln is that it's not bigger.
Seriously, I have filled it up completely and can fit about 50 beads in
there with the little metal shelf. It is big enough to fuse if you want to.

Frantz has their unit on sale with the digital controller - and it's a
pretty good deal. I think my set was about $150 more when I bought it.

I love the shape of the kiln, and that it fits on the end of my table. The
ebad doors are in front, which makes it very easy to slip beads in without
losing too much heat, and I don't need gloves to touch to doors or the
mandrels. The controller comes pre-programmed, which, if you're making
beads that aren't freaking huge, works just fine for annealing and for
ramping up if you need to. Also, I haven't seen a huge increase in my
electricity bill, so the kiln is pretty energy efficient.

I did have that one fubar with the kiln not too long ago, but found out that
it wasn't the kiln - it was a power outage that lasted only a few seconds.
My hubby has since fixed that with a switch.

I am very happy with my kiln - it has met my needs for the 9 months that I
have been making beads. If you tend to make more than 50 smallish beads
in a session, you may want to step up to a larger size.

Good luck!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
Arrrgh, I've hardly been able to get on the newsgroup lately, I'm having
withdrawals! (I spend all my free time waiting for the baby to sleep so
I can make beads... I've finally gotten comfortable enough with my torch
to be productive! Yay!)

Anyway, I know this is a subject that gets hashed and rehashed
periodically, and yes, I have seen the recent threads on the Wetcanvas
boards, but I wanted to ask those folks here who have a bead kiln which
kiln they use, what they like about it, what they dislike about it, any
problems they've had, what they wish was different about it, why they
chose it in the first place, whether they would choose the same kiln
again or a different kiln, and why.

I can't afford a new kiln right now, but I am an obsessive comparison
shopper and I MUST buy a bead kiln by the end of the year... using my
top-loading fusing kiln to garage beads is killing my hands and my
energy budget.

Thanks for any input!

--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
See us at www.strattonhome.org



  #3  
Old July 9th 03, 12:50 AM
Laurie
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My kiln came from Arrow Springs and I love it. No troubles, stablizes easily,
large enough and versatile. Top opens on a hinge for fusing or emptying, but
there's a front door for placing beads inside.If comes with a brick door as
well. It's an AF99. And the best thing? Craig. He stand behind everything
he sells.

Please remember that whatever you buy, you want your element to be encased. No
one wants a fried Kalera on the end of mandrel....





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  #4  
Old July 9th 03, 02:53 AM
CLP
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You've only been making beads for Nine Months?! I yam impressed.

"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I have a Fusebox kiln - similar to the one pictured he


http://www.frantzartglass.com/Itemdesc.asp?CartId={87F1AF7A-0683-444D-AAE5-627666CE107F}&ic=131111&Tp=

I bought mine from Frantz a year or so ago, and the one they have now is

the
updated version with the digital controller attached. I have essentially
the same thing, but my digital controller is a seperate unit, and my kiln

is
blue instead of grey.

The only thing I don't like about my kiln is that it's not bigger.
Seriously, I have filled it up completely and can fit about 50 beads in
there with the little metal shelf. It is big enough to fuse if you want

to.

Frantz has their unit on sale with the digital controller - and it's a
pretty good deal. I think my set was about $150 more when I bought it.

I love the shape of the kiln, and that it fits on the end of my table.

The
ebad doors are in front, which makes it very easy to slip beads in without
losing too much heat, and I don't need gloves to touch to doors or the
mandrels. The controller comes pre-programmed, which, if you're making
beads that aren't freaking huge, works just fine for annealing and for
ramping up if you need to. Also, I haven't seen a huge increase in my
electricity bill, so the kiln is pretty energy efficient.

I did have that one fubar with the kiln not too long ago, but found out

that
it wasn't the kiln - it was a power outage that lasted only a few seconds.
My hubby has since fixed that with a switch.

I am very happy with my kiln - it has met my needs for the 9 months that I
have been making beads. If you tend to make more than 50 smallish

beads
in a session, you may want to step up to a larger size.

Good luck!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
Arrrgh, I've hardly been able to get on the newsgroup lately, I'm having
withdrawals! (I spend all my free time waiting for the baby to sleep so
I can make beads... I've finally gotten comfortable enough with my torch
to be productive! Yay!)

Anyway, I know this is a subject that gets hashed and rehashed
periodically, and yes, I have seen the recent threads on the Wetcanvas
boards, but I wanted to ask those folks here who have a bead kiln which
kiln they use, what they like about it, what they dislike about it, any
problems they've had, what they wish was different about it, why they
chose it in the first place, whether they would choose the same kiln
again or a different kiln, and why.

I can't afford a new kiln right now, but I am an obsessive comparison
shopper and I MUST buy a bead kiln by the end of the year... using my
top-loading fusing kiln to garage beads is killing my hands and my
energy budget.

Thanks for any input!

--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
See us at www.strattonhome.org





  #5  
Old July 9th 03, 03:04 AM
Nicole @ Black Cat Beads
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I know... she has my Ass whooped! I have been making beads for 4 years
now.... SHEEZE!!!

nicole



CLP wrote:
You've only been making beads for Nine Months?! I yam impressed.

"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

I have a Fusebox kiln - similar to the one pictured he



http://www.frantzartglass.com/Itemdesc.asp?CartId={87F1AF7A-0683-444D-AAE5-627666CE107F}&ic=131111&Tp=

I bought mine from Frantz a year or so ago, and the one they have now is


the

updated version with the digital controller attached. I have essentially
the same thing, but my digital controller is a seperate unit, and my kiln


is

blue instead of grey.

The only thing I don't like about my kiln is that it's not bigger.
Seriously, I have filled it up completely and can fit about 50 beads in
there with the little metal shelf. It is big enough to fuse if you want


to.

Frantz has their unit on sale with the digital controller - and it's a
pretty good deal. I think my set was about $150 more when I bought it.

I love the shape of the kiln, and that it fits on the end of my table.


The

ebad doors are in front, which makes it very easy to slip beads in without
losing too much heat, and I don't need gloves to touch to doors or the
mandrels. The controller comes pre-programmed, which, if you're making
beads that aren't freaking huge, works just fine for annealing and for
ramping up if you need to. Also, I haven't seen a huge increase in my
electricity bill, so the kiln is pretty energy efficient.

I did have that one fubar with the kiln not too long ago, but found out


that

it wasn't the kiln - it was a power outage that lasted only a few seconds.
My hubby has since fixed that with a switch.

I am very happy with my kiln - it has met my needs for the 9 months that I
have been making beads. If you tend to make more than 50 smallish


beads

in a session, you may want to step up to a larger size.

Good luck!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...

Arrrgh, I've hardly been able to get on the newsgroup lately, I'm having
withdrawals! (I spend all my free time waiting for the baby to sleep so
I can make beads... I've finally gotten comfortable enough with my torch
to be productive! Yay!)

Anyway, I know this is a subject that gets hashed and rehashed
periodically, and yes, I have seen the recent threads on the Wetcanvas
boards, but I wanted to ask those folks here who have a bead kiln which
kiln they use, what they like about it, what they dislike about it, any
problems they've had, what they wish was different about it, why they
chose it in the first place, whether they would choose the same kiln
again or a different kiln, and why.

I can't afford a new kiln right now, but I am an obsessive comparison
shopper and I MUST buy a bead kiln by the end of the year... using my
top-loading fusing kiln to garage beads is killing my hands and my
energy budget.

Thanks for any input!

--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
See us at www.strattonhome.org







--
Nicole
Black Cat Beads


eBay Sto http://www.stores.ebay.com/blackcatbeads

I never met a bead I did not like! : )

  #6  
Old July 9th 03, 04:07 AM
Kandice Seeber
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Well, I took a class about a year ago, then apprenticed with Paulette
for about a month in August. I didn't have my own studio set up to make
beads regularly until November. So, I have been making beads regularly for
about 9 months.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
"CLP" wrote in message
...
You've only been making beads for Nine Months?! I yam impressed.

"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I have a Fusebox kiln - similar to the one pictured he



http://www.frantzartglass.com/Itemdesc.asp?CartId={87F1AF7A-0683-444D-AAE5-627666CE107F}&ic=131111&Tp=

I bought mine from Frantz a year or so ago, and the one they have now is

the
updated version with the digital controller attached. I have

essentially
the same thing, but my digital controller is a seperate unit, and my

kiln
is
blue instead of grey.

The only thing I don't like about my kiln is that it's not bigger.
Seriously, I have filled it up completely and can fit about 50 beads in
there with the little metal shelf. It is big enough to fuse if you want

to.

Frantz has their unit on sale with the digital controller - and it's a
pretty good deal. I think my set was about $150 more when I bought it.

I love the shape of the kiln, and that it fits on the end of my table.

The
ebad doors are in front, which makes it very easy to slip beads in

without
losing too much heat, and I don't need gloves to touch to doors or the
mandrels. The controller comes pre-programmed, which, if you're making
beads that aren't freaking huge, works just fine for annealing and for
ramping up if you need to. Also, I haven't seen a huge increase in my
electricity bill, so the kiln is pretty energy efficient.

I did have that one fubar with the kiln not too long ago, but found out

that
it wasn't the kiln - it was a power outage that lasted only a few

seconds.
My hubby has since fixed that with a switch.

I am very happy with my kiln - it has met my needs for the 9 months that

I
have been making beads. If you tend to make more than 50 smallish

beads
in a session, you may want to step up to a larger size.

Good luck!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
Arrrgh, I've hardly been able to get on the newsgroup lately, I'm

having
withdrawals! (I spend all my free time waiting for the baby to sleep

so
I can make beads... I've finally gotten comfortable enough with my

torch
to be productive! Yay!)

Anyway, I know this is a subject that gets hashed and rehashed
periodically, and yes, I have seen the recent threads on the Wetcanvas
boards, but I wanted to ask those folks here who have a bead kiln

which
kiln they use, what they like about it, what they dislike about it,

any
problems they've had, what they wish was different about it, why they
chose it in the first place, whether they would choose the same kiln
again or a different kiln, and why.

I can't afford a new kiln right now, but I am an obsessive comparison
shopper and I MUST buy a bead kiln by the end of the year... using my
top-loading fusing kiln to garage beads is killing my hands and my
energy budget.

Thanks for any input!

--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
See us at www.strattonhome.org







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Old July 9th 03, 04:12 AM
Kalera Stratton
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OK, so collectively you guys have given good reviews to every kiln I'm
looking at!

Actually, you have been very helpful... I think I'm narrowing things
down. I do want a digital controller, but I may build it myself. I'm
currently very torn between buying a less expensive kiln so I can have
it sooner (I'm looking at an AIM or a Jen-Ken) or waiting and getting a
more expensive kiln; the Fusebox or the Arrow Springs. As of this
moment, I'm toward a Jen-Ken with a digital controller, because it's a
good kiln with a solid reputation, and I don't REALLY have time to build
my own, do I? LOL! I'm thinking that having it NOW would be a Very Good
Thing and perhaps even worth my while if I bought another, more
expensive kiln next year. It might even come close to paying for itself
in electrical expenses by then; using a large top-loading kiln to garage
beads is ridiculously wasteful.

I wish that there was a little annealer available for under $300; I'd go
for it, but even the smallest annealers suitable for garaging beads as I
make them is comparable in price to the cheaper fusing/bead kilns!

--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
See us at www.strattonhome.org
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Old July 9th 03, 06:54 AM
Cheryl
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I wish that there was a little annealer available for under $300; I'd go
for it, but even the smallest annealers suitable for garaging beads as I
make them is comparable in price to the cheaper fusing/bead kilns!


You can use something like this - and this is a GREAT DEAL.
My"annealer" is an older enameling kiln that I modified to use for annealing
beads...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=28 124
Cheryl of A HREF="http://www.dragonbeads.com" DRAGON BEADS /A
Flameworked beads and glass
http://www.dragonbeads.com/

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Old July 9th 03, 04:39 PM
D Brock
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Hi Kalera:

One other thing to keep in mind as you decide: are you closer to one or the
other? AIM is Corvallis Oregon, I think Jen-Ken is in the east somewhere.
(Don't know if you have located distributors close to you.) But maybe if
you're close, you can pick up and save some shipping? And for kilns,
shipping could be fairly significant.

(Those of us in the Portland, Oregon, area are pretty lucky kiln-wise:
Skutt is here, EK Miller (Fusebox) is here, AIM is down the road in
Corvallis, I think there's someone manufacturing toolbox/mailbox annealers
on the coast...)

--Dave

P.S. Got a good laugh about your comments on building your own
controller --- first "I may build it myself", then "I don't really have time
to build my own, do I?" I go through that internal argument on so many
things all that time (most recently on rebuilding a malfunctioning oxygen
concentrator myself...)




"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
OK, so collectively you guys have given good reviews to every kiln I'm
looking at!

Actually, you have been very helpful... I think I'm narrowing things
down. I do want a digital controller, but I may build it myself. I'm
currently very torn between buying a less expensive kiln so I can have
it sooner (I'm looking at an AIM or a Jen-Ken) or waiting and getting a
more expensive kiln; the Fusebox or the Arrow Springs. As of this
moment, I'm toward a Jen-Ken with a digital controller, because it's a
good kiln with a solid reputation, and I don't REALLY have time to build
my own, do I? LOL! I'm thinking that having it NOW would be a Very Good
Thing and perhaps even worth my while if I bought another, more
expensive kiln next year. It might even come close to paying for itself
in electrical expenses by then; using a large top-loading kiln to garage
beads is ridiculously wasteful.

I wish that there was a little annealer available for under $300; I'd go
for it, but even the smallest annealers suitable for garaging beads as I
make them is comparable in price to the cheaper fusing/bead kilns!

--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
See us at www.strattonhome.org



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Old July 9th 03, 07:11 PM
Beads1947
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Jen-Ken is in Florida. I bought a minifuse Jen-Ken kiln from Centre de Verre.
They charged $60.00 to ship. I love my kiln!
Patti
 




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