glassdoc.org

y'all want to keep religion off the glass group? it could be subject matter
for window related ideas but some of the pagans, Christians, atheists and
Jews out there really don't want to hear your ravings.It is not allowed in
schools either so why not save it for someone who cares!

Chris the Unwise wrote:

Manfred:

I know, I act like a jerk too.

I have been given a completely functional human body and an entire day,
(many, many days, but I'm talking about this one) and I spent at least
50% of it wasting time on a computer game.

It's not that I'm totally uninformed (although I have no rightful claim
to perfect knowledge).

It's that I choose to act like a selfish jerk, far, far, far too often.
Pray for me.

There are areas of science that the Church leaves to the scientists,
areas of household management and child rearing that she leaves to
fathers and mothers, and areas of grammar that She leaves to
grammarians. Even so, The Church, led by Christ through the Pope and
loyal bishops and priests, beckons each man and woman to relate to
Christ and to each other in Charity and to seek the Truth in any
worthwhile field of endeavor using trustworthy tools.

To the extent that I have the authority to forgive any trespasses (which
is nil or very little, as I am not a priest and not God), and the extent
that I need mercy (which is very, very great), I'd certainly want and
try to forgive you, except I don't think you did anything wrong to me.

I, on the other hand, wasted most of a day. Please, pray for me.


Chris (the unwise)

Manfred wrote:
Sorry Chris,

you are right. Men are morons. We know that :-)
But on a wiki you can ban them morons and make their destructive
actions undone.
So it's an improvement. Really :-)

--manfred

Chris replied:
Should someone describe me as having green hair, then anyone who
receives that message is bound to miss me if they depend on that
description, as I have some brown hair and am mostly bald. No matter
how quickly that message is corrected, harm has been done in even
risking that possibility if it could otherwise have been avoided.
Depending on how widely the message is propogated, I may feel the desire
to wear a wig, if not the need to wear a 10-gallon green hat describing
me as the guy falsely described as having green hair. This won't change
the fact that I'm bald and have brown hair, but I might attempt, without
intending deceit, to come closer to appearing to meet the physical
description they expect to see.

Eventually, I will likely be compelled to reveal the truth about my
appearance and try to deal with the shock, dismay, and mistrust that
others may feel at having been misled. That person in turn will be
compelled to try to discern whether I am more or less trustworthy than
those sources describing the guy with green hair. I may succeed in
convincing 100% of the misinformed people that I am who I say I am,
despite the color of my hair, but the time and resources spent by those
misinformed people, and by me in tring to convince them otherwise, is
spent.

Given my current standing in society, if people miss me, it's likely a
limited loss.

What if they are convinced that all glass fuses at the same temperature,
regardless of COE, and therefore is universally compatable?

What if they miss Christ because of misinformation?

Such is apologetics.

There are areas in which varying opinions are worthy of saying,
collecting, and hearing. Healthy Debate is not necessarily wrong, and
wikipedia may be another forum for that debate. It is not to be read,
however, with the authority one might associate with a well written book
on the subject at hand, and those wikipedia passages pertaining to
theology are certainly not to be read with the assent of faith.

Whether those who are banned as morons are actually so, remains to be
seen. To use your wording, Christ was banned as a moron, as was Joan of
Arc, Galileo, Saint Thomas More, Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Michael and
Janet Jackson, and a very large number of others, including Satan.
Although I can guess which of these people are credible on the limited
facts that I have, I shouldn't, because the facts I have are limited.

Christ is more than a person. But I don't listen to him as well as I
should. But that's a much longer letter.


___^^^___Chris (the unswise) __^^^______



This isn't a problem exclusive to wiki.

Several thousand years ago, a herd of Isrealites voted to make
themselves a golden cow to worship as God.

About two thousand years ago, a herd of people decided to cruicify
Jesus Christ.

A few hundred years ago, a herd of people decided that black people
were really not persons.

Sixty years ago, another herd of people decided that Jewish human
beings were unworthy of the protection of the law, even from genocide.

Thirty years ago, another herd of people decided that they had no
right to prevent the death of a human being whose mother found
inconvenient.

Whoever thinks that any herd of human beings can arrive at the Truth
unassisted, has done a very poor study of human history.

May God make you, and everyone whose life you touch, HOLY. May you
let Him do so.

Chris (the unwise)

I wonder, should I post this a few million times?

Mike Firth wrote:

The problem with a wiki - at least www.wikipedia.com - that
anything put up can be changed and the most relentless poster wins.
The wikipedia entries on glass contain a number of errors and
corrections or notes simply vanish.

Chris,

beg you pardon but I never pray.
And life is not about right and wrong.
What's right for you might be wrong for me.

glassdoc.org is not about right and wrong.

In fact we (nobody) can differ right from wrong apart from mathematics.
But that leads to far away from the actual topic and should be discussed
on a different channel I think.

--manfred

Am Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:05:12 -0800 hat Chris the Unwise
geschrieben:

Manfred:

I know, I act like a jerk too.

I have been given a completely functional human body and an entire day,
(many, many days, but I'm talking about this one) and I spent at least
50% of it wasting time on a computer game.

It's not that I'm totally uninformed (although I have no rightful claim
to perfect knowledge).

It's that I choose to act like a selfish jerk, far, far, far too often.
Pray for me.

There are areas of science that the Church leaves to the scientists,
areas of household management and child rearing that she leaves to
fathers and mothers, and areas of grammar that She leaves to
grammarians. Even so, The Church, led by Christ through the Pope and
loyal bishops and priests, beckons each man and woman to relate to
Christ and to each other in Charity and to seek the Truth in any
worthwhile field of endeavor using trustworthy tools.

To the extent that I have the authority to forgive any trespasses (which
is nil or very little, as I am not a priest and not God), and the extent
that I need mercy (which is very, very great), I'd certainly want and
try to forgive you, except I don't think you did anything wrong to me.

I, on the other hand, wasted most of a day. Please, pray for me.


Chris (the unwise)

Manfred wrote:
Sorry Chris,
you are right. Men are morons. We know that :-)
But on a wiki you can ban them morons and make their destructive
actions undone.
So it's an improvement. Really :-)

--manfred

Chris replied:
Should someone describe me as having green hair, then anyone who
receives that message is bound to miss me if they depend on that
description, as I have some brown hair and am mostly bald. No matter
how quickly that message is corrected, harm has been done in even
risking that possibility if it could otherwise have been avoided.
Depending on how widely the message is propogated, I may feel the desire
to wear a wig, if not the need to wear a 10-gallon green hat describing
me as the guy falsely described as having green hair. This won't change
the fact that I'm bald and have brown hair, but I might attempt, without
intending deceit, to come closer to appearing to meet the physical
description they expect to see.

Eventually, I will likely be compelled to reveal the truth about my
appearance and try to deal with the shock, dismay, and mistrust that
others may feel at having been misled. That person in turn will be
compelled to try to discern whether I am more or less trustworthy than
those sources describing the guy with green hair. I may succeed in
convincing 100% of the misinformed people that I am who I say I am,
despite the color of my hair, but the time and resources spent by those
misinformed people, and by me in tring to convince them otherwise, is
spent.

Given my current standing in society, if people miss me, it's likely a
limited loss.

What if they are convinced that all glass fuses at the same temperature,
regardless of COE, and therefore is universally compatable?

What if they miss Christ because of misinformation?

Such is apologetics.

There are areas in which varying opinions are worthy of saying,
collecting, and hearing. Healthy Debate is not necessarily wrong, and
wikipedia may be another forum for that debate. It is not to be read,
however, with the authority one might associate with a well written book
on the subject at hand, and those wikipedia passages pertaining to
theology are certainly not to be read with the assent of faith.

Whether those who are banned as morons are actually so, remains to be
seen. To use your wording, Christ was banned as a moron, as was Joan of
Arc, Galileo, Saint Thomas More, Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Michael and
Janet Jackson, and a very large number of others, including Satan.
Although I can guess which of these people are credible on the limited
facts that I have, I shouldn't, because the facts I have are limited.

Christ is more than a person. But I don't listen to him as well as I
should. But that's a much longer letter.


___^^^___Chris (the unswise) __^^^______



This isn't a problem exclusive to wiki.

Several thousand years ago, a herd of Isrealites voted to make
themselves a golden cow to worship as God.

About two thousand years ago, a herd of people decided to cruicify
Jesus Christ.

A few hundred years ago, a herd of people decided that black people
were really not persons.

Sixty years ago, another herd of people decided that Jewish human
beings were unworthy of the protection of the law, even from genocide.

Thirty years ago, another herd of people decided that they had no
right to prevent the death of a human being whose mother found
inconvenient.

Whoever thinks that any herd of human beings can arrive at the Truth
unassisted, has done a very poor study of human history.

May God make you, and everyone whose life you touch, HOLY. May you
let Him do so.

Chris (the unwise)

I wonder, should I post this a few million times?

Mike Firth wrote:

The problem with a wiki - at least www.wikipedia.com - that
anything put up can be changed and the most relentless poster wins.
The wikipedia entries on glass contain a number of errors and
corrections or notes simply vanish.

Jack,

The common thing about the herds, even herds of devils, is that the
individual persons or devils, as the case may be, comprising the herd
were made by God. That they may or may not acknowledge that fact does
not make it untrue. That they claim to act in the name of God does not
necessarily make their claim true.

Perhaps there are, unfortunately, a sufficient number of avowed athiests
to be called (very informally, of course) a "herd". They were not found
by me in alt.athiest today, though, because I can't find it on my news
server or on deja. Does this group exist?

Perhaps you wanted me to post it on alt.athiesm?
Having scanned the alt newsgroup creation guide, I don't see that
creating a newsgroup alt.athiest would be wise, if for no other reason
than the fact that it would split or duplicate the lively discussions
already to be found in alt.athiesm.*

Additionally, a group created for the sole purpose of posting one
article under these circumstances may fit the description of a shock
group, if in intent rather than in form.

ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.a...creation-guide

I do not think that wikis are necessarily evil. My first point wasn't
even that wikis are not 100% reliable (although if they are read, they
should be viewed as reflections of opinion rather than fact).

My first point in this thread was that a wiki is not the tool necessary
to err. We've been doing that long before computers came about. My
second was that human beings are prone to err, especially when they move
as herds, and need more help than they can possibly provide on their own.

May God make you a saint. May you let Him do so.

Chris (the unwise)



nJb wrote:
Chris the Unwise wrote:

This isn't a problem exclusive to wiki.

Several thousand years ago, a herd of Isrealites voted to make
themselves a golden cow to worship as God.

About two thousand years ago, a herd of people decided to cruicify
Jesus Christ.

A few hundred years ago, a herd of people decided that black people were
really not persons.

Sixty years ago, another herd of people decided that Jewish human beings
were unworthy of the protection of the law, even from genocide.

Thirty years ago, another herd of people decided that they had no right
to prevent the death of a human being whose mother found inconvenient.

Whoever thinks that any herd of human beings can arrive at the Truth
unassisted, has done a very poor study of human history.

May God make you, and everyone whose life you touch, HOLY. May you let
Him do so.

Chris (the unwise)

I wonder, should I post this a few million times?



Yes, the common thing among the herds is that they all believed in god.
Post it in alt.athiest.

Jack

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:28:52 -0800, Chris the Unwise wrote:
Chris (the unwise)

"Unwise" and "stupid" don't mean the same thing. Please put your
candle under a bushel, or risk having it put there forcibly as you
drop to the bottom of everyone's bozo bin. There are places where
it's acceptable to be a raving god-squad loonie, but this doesn't
seem like one of them.

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Chris the Unwise wrote:

This isn't a problem exclusive to wiki.

Several thousand years ago, a herd of Isrealites voted to make
themselves a golden cow to worship as God.

About two thousand years ago, a herd of people decided to cruicify
Jesus Christ.

A few hundred years ago, a herd of people decided that black people were
really not persons.

Sixty years ago, another herd of people decided that Jewish human beings
were unworthy of the protection of the law, even from genocide.

Thirty years ago, another herd of people decided that they had no right
to prevent the death of a human being whose mother found inconvenient.

Whoever thinks that any herd of human beings can arrive at the Truth
unassisted, has done a very poor study of human history.

May God make you, and everyone whose life you touch, HOLY. May you let
Him do so.

Chris (the unwise)

I wonder, should I post this a few million times?


There, now you're somewhere where these things are discussed. I doubt
the glass people want to hear it.

Jack

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:16:23 -0700, nJb said in
alt.atheism:

Chris the Unwise wrote:

I wonder, should I post this a few million times?

There, now you're somewhere where these things are discussed. I doubt
the glass people want to hear it.

Atheists don't want to hear it either.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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