Some OT, some not. A little venting, a little beadmaking talk....

Everyone loves your beads,
whether or not they are pink with florals.

Yes. Please understand this, about my stance on your florals:

I think they're gorgeous. The swirl thing? I just wanted to see what you
could do with the swirls, trying a slightly new approach (it's always good for
any artist). The flowers you have in that set are, BTW, your best flowers
ever.

I love your flowers. My only objection to them? NONE! I don't object. I
just won't use them in my work that much -- it's not MY style. But I love them
anyway.

See? And I think you should spend the day making nothing BUT pink flower
beads!!!! WOW, *that* would be a killer set........KLUNK I bet it would fetch
record high prices, too.
~~
Sooz
Yummy yummy apricot jam! (It's so much better than green eggs and ham)

Kandice, most of its NOT moral---its Money. Marriage laws are not about
bad/good relationships, they are about how much taxes are paid and who gets
paid insurance and who inherits--the "family" or the State.

Sarajane, I think many voters who voted for Bush felt it *was* the moral
issues. The abortion issue, the gay marriage issue -- I think they felt they
had to stop these things.

The abortion issue is a blending of church and state.....What abortion foes
don't understand is this: Many people in this country are of religions that
don't see the soul in the unborn yet. So abortion is not the horror for them
that it is for people like Lori. If abortion horrifies someone, don't get one
-- it's a personal choice. But you cannot legislate religion, which is what
this comes down to. It's against the Constitution.

Ruining the economy and people's lives so that abortion rights can be
obliterated is msiguided at best.

Many also feel revulsion at any hint of gay rights. It's because they're
envisioning things that aren't any of their business -- they keep seeing, in
their mind's eyes, guys doing stuff to each other. It's ridiculous.

An Australian friend of mine said something that cracked me up -- and
firghtened me: She said if you looked at a map of the country's red and blue
states on election night, it was clear that rednecks were going to run the
country! It sickens me that anyone could be short sighted enough to ruin the
environment, the economy, civil rights, and more just to keep women from
aborting unwanted babies. But of course, Republicans aren't going to help fund
programs for those babies once they're BORN. Oh HELL no.

I am ashamed of our nation, even though I love my country.
~~
Sooz
Yummy yummy apricot jam! (It's so much better than green eggs and ham)

I voted for Kerry because of the moral issues. Sadly, it was an ABBie vote.

Also sadly, I'm sitting here watching his press conference, and I really WANT
to like this guy. It's his religiousity and his followers' religiousity that
scares me. I'm raising a Jewish little girl. I don't want her feeling like
she's not "right" to be Jewish, and if she should need an abortion, let's say
GOD forbid, she's married, and pregnant with a fetus that threatens her life, I
want her to have the right to do with her body as she likes.

*sigh* And now Arafat's dead, so the plot thickens.

The Blessed Fiddy, Patroness Saint of the Disorganized
LC in Sunny So Cal
Personality Development Specialist (Full-Time Mom!)

An Australian friend of mine said something that cracked me up -- and
firghtened me: She said if you looked at a map of the country's red and
blue
states on election night, it was clear that rednecks were going to run the
country!

It seemed to me that in many states the race was actually very tight,
regardless of who ultimately won. Certainly there were some states (or
locales, such as the District of Columbia) where a resounding majority of
the voters supported the winning candidate. But in many "Bush" states there
were lots and lots of folks who voted for Kerry--just not enough for him to
win the state.

I live in Georgia and I voted for Kerry, by the way.

Just sending you some light and warmth to get you through!

Barbara

Sarajane, I think many voters who voted for Bush felt it *was* the moral
issues.

of course they did!! That's how that whole thing is being peddled to the
masses. Moral outrage on any issue is a Big Incentive when trying to manipulate
behavior. But when controlling the behavior *of others* becomes more important
than obeying existing laws and controlling one's OWN behavior, there's trouble
coming.
Sarajane

Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery
http://www.polyclay.com

Yeah, that makes sense. Money issues hiding behind the morality banner.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

That's why I don't understand
all this morality stuff.

Kandice, most of its NOT moral---its Money. Marriage laws are not about
bad/good relationships, they are about how much taxes are paid and who
gets
paid insurance and who inherits--the "family" or the State.
Sarajane

Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery
http://www.polyclay.com

Though I lived in Canada, I too primarily earned it at hockey games.

Tina


"Jalynne" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I know them....we sing the anthem during hockey season.

Oh, Canada
Our home and native land
true patriot's love in all thy sons command
with glowing hearts we see thee rise
the true north strong and free
from far and wide
oh canada, we stand on guard for thee
God keep our land
glorious and free
Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee
Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee.
--
Jalynne - Keeper of the Quilt for ME club list
Queen Gypsy (snail mail available upon request)
see what i've been up to at www.100megsfree4.com/jalynne

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
I hum it all the time. No one sings it. Nobody knows the words. Honest.
I
used to frequent a Canadian chat room, thats where I met DH, and every
so
often I would ask them if they knew the words.
I made up some.
*to the tune of Oh, Canada*

Oh, Canada,
Your anthem has no words,
Not any words, that any body knows
No it has no words, no it has no words
At least that anybody knooooooowsssss...
Oh Canada, Oh Canada...
(and so on)

Diana

--
Weird people need beads, too
"Tinkster" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:29:57 -0600, "Diana Curtis"
wrote:

Im scared too.. same reasons I think, but if it gets to bad there is
Australia and Canada... Cas will be overjoyed to see the lot of us
show
up
on her doorstep! ... So would my inlaws.
Diana

I've been humming the Canadian National Anthem all day...

Tink
Check here for available work:
http://blackswampglassworks.com/latest.htm

Responses inline....

Kandice, most of its NOT moral---its Money. Marriage laws are not about
bad/good relationships, they are about how much taxes are paid and who
gets
paid insurance and who inherits--the "family" or the State.

Sarajane, I think many voters who voted for Bush felt it *was* the moral
issues. The abortion issue, the gay marriage issue -- I think they felt
they
had to stop these things.

This is also true I think - so many people were feeling the morality was a
huge issue. But I think the government always has an alterior motive for a
lot of these issues. It becomes about rallying people for the wrong
reasons.

The abortion issue is a blending of church and state.....What abortion
foes
don't understand is this: Many people in this country are of religions
that
don't see the soul in the unborn yet. So abortion is not the horror for
them
that it is for people like Lori. If abortion horrifies someone, don't get
one
-- it's a personal choice. But you cannot legislate religion, which is
what
this comes down to. It's against the Constitution.

This is the heart of why I go more towards the pro-choice than the pro-life.
I may personally believe something, but there are so many people in this
country who have different beliefs that it's not fair to legislate morality.
Our constitution is supposed to protect us from that.

Ruining the economy and people's lives so that abortion rights can be
obliterated is msiguided at best.

Yes. The economy is also something I forgot to mention earlier. Even
though that's a huge thing for me as well. Bush simply did not perform well
in this area.

Many also feel revulsion at any hint of gay rights. It's because they're
envisioning things that aren't any of their business -- they keep seeing,
in
their mind's eyes, guys doing stuff to each other. It's ridiculous.

Yes, and it's not harming them. It's all about power and control. Bush
wants to control our lives to such a point that it makes me sick. That kind
of need for power really frightens me. If something in your religion says
something's wrong, I understand. But what people need to keep in mind is
that most religions on this planet say they are the only way. So we have a
lot of completely different viewpoints. This is why there must be
separation of church and state. We cannot legislate morality. It's not
fair!
I'm not gay. I'm a heterosexual white married female. But I am certainly
not going to deny rights to people because they love someone of the same
gender and want to be able to get legally married and have the rights that
entails. It has *nothing to do with me*. It doesn't matter whether I think
it's right or wrong. And it doesn't threaten my marriage, either. The
sanctity of marriage has to be about LOVE not FEAR.

An Australian friend of mine said something that cracked me up -- and
frightened me: She said if you looked at a map of the country's red and
blue
states on election night, it was clear that rednecks were going to run the
country! It sickens me that anyone could be short sighted enough to ruin
the
environment, the economy, civil rights, and more just to keep women from
aborting unwanted babies. But of course, Republicans aren't going to help
fund
programs for those babies once they're BORN. Oh HELL no.

Yeah. No Child Left Behind, my ass.

I am ashamed of our nation, even though I love my country.

Me too. BUt I get the feeling that Bush's winning was not entirely on the
up-and-up.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

Yes, LC, I agree completely.

You know, I would love to hear some discussion on this, if people on Bush's
side would like to chime in. I *really* want to understand why in the world
people would vote for Bush. Please tell me why, if you can. I promise not
to ridicule you. I promise to accept your viewpoint. I just want to
understand.
I got Loris' viewpoint, and can understand her side. But it can't all be
about the abortion issue. I know there are more viewpoints than this.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I voted for Kerry because of the moral issues. Sadly, it was an ABBie
vote.

Also sadly, I'm sitting here watching his press conference, and I really
WANT
to like this guy. It's his religiousity and his followers' religiousity
that
scares me. I'm raising a Jewish little girl. I don't want her feeling
like
she's not "right" to be Jewish, and if she should need an abortion, let's
say
GOD forbid, she's married, and pregnant with a fetus that threatens her
life, I
want her to have the right to do with her body as she likes.

*sigh* And now Arafat's dead, so the plot thickens.

The Blessed Fiddy, Patroness Saint of the Disorganized
LC in Sunny So Cal
Personality Development Specialist (Full-Time Mom!)