"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
My website is by far the best venue, though, but takes a lot more time and
energy to run than my ebay presence. So I do both, and they average out
to
be very good.

This is great!!! When people work at it, then it can be a great system for
them.

I don't
undervalue my work.

This was one of the points I was trying to make.

I work with the market to get the best prices I can
while giving buyers the highest quality, most pleasing beads I possibly
can.

YEAH!!!!!

Anyone with a little talent can do this if they work hard at it, and
listen
to their customers. People complain way too much and tend to think this
is
an easy way to earn lots of money, and think they can do so without much
effort.

I understand that. But also, some people don't know how to start, or how to
find out the information. Sometimes it's "laziness" (i.e. let eBay sell the
item for me. If I put it on there, it should automatically sell with
5million bids). I think part of this is not just "let's set prices" but the
education, also. It's not just support of "aww, poor baby, you aren't
getting your prices, but you need to raise them". But support should also
be sharing of hints and help. But not specifically "Here's the formula for
selling your items and making a million like I do". I agree with most
people when someone comes on here, and says "how do I sell, and where?".
There should be some research, and also, each area is different. But
guiding, and hinting is good. And there *are* "here's the formula" sites
out there! :-)

Well, there's my 2 cents +. Kandice, don't think you are ranting. You are
giving an opinion. If we can work together, this is great! As I posted
over there, it's not so much a thing of price fixing/etc, but we need to
come up with a way to work together, and to value our work. No matter what
level!

Mary

Anyway. Ranting again. Time to stop now before someone whacks
me with a tomato!!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I just read your reply on WC. I thought you did it very well. And you
do
make some really good points. I too have mixed feelings about this
whole
thing.

I don't yet sell beads, hope to one day. I do make pieces with lampwork
beads. I understand wanting to get full value for your work, but I feel
uneasy with the idea that "everyone" should do XXXXX. I know a
beadmaker
that won't sell on ebay at all - to her that is undervaluing her work,
so
she only sells at shows and galleries. If that works for her great, but
for
some people ebay is what works.

One of the problems with selling art is that it is sooooo subjective.
I've
gotten beads at what I thought was a steal, I've paid full value for
some
beads, and I've probably over paid for others. To someone else what I
thought was a steal they may think is a fair price, etc.

I also understand that it's easy to undervalue your own work (still
working
on that with my jewelry), and some may not even realize that they are
doing
it.

Lots of shades of gray in this - it's surely not just black and white -
raise our prices and all will be well with the bead world.

Kathy K
"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
***sigh*** and I just posted a response over there. Time to go hide
in
the
bunker. Why the hell am I a glutton for punishement? Seriously, I
think
I
bring up some good points, but that whole thread is so full of "Amen!"
"I'm
in!" "You go girl!"and "Me too" posts that I am afraid mine will not
be
well
received.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I have mixed feelings about that whole thread. On the one hand, the
intentions are good, I am sure. The people are mostly nice,
hardworking
and
well-intentioned. On the other hand, price fixing is illegal and
annoying.
I agree about pricing your things in such a way that it mirrors
value
and
hard work. However, I don't agree with a huge group governing that,
or
trying to control things. But I am pretty anti-government, so maybe
it's
just that. Or maybe it's because I haven't had my coffee yet
today,
and
I am cranky.
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

Rita says:
"....when 1/2 of the market is undercutting themselves it has not
only
a
trickle down effect but a landslide."

This is what I've always said. It's true, it affects all our
sister
and
brother
beadmakers, jewelrymakers --- and artists as a whole population.

The way I said it recently was deemed unacceptable by some -- but
I've
been
fighting for this for a long, long, long time. People just don't
listen
when
you say "Increase your prices, because it affects us all." I
wanted
to
be
dramatic because the message doesn't get through people's heads,
as
is
evidenced by this thread on Wet Canvas. "The Beadmakers'
Liberation
Front"?
Drama. You have to paint in bright colors for people to GET IT.
~~
Sooz
-------
"Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your
jewelry."
John
Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html