Cheyne wrote:

I was told to come here by one of your fellow memebers..
I didnt JUST find this site...

I still wonder who that might be. No regular poster would advise you to
advertise here. They might tell you to ask for advice here! I do that
all the time. Several members are here because I steered them from
other news groups.

I am not in the wrong for posting something like this.. If you dont
like it... then you shouldnt have read it.. am I right or does freedom
of press not exist anymore???

Yes you are in the wrong. You posted an add to a NEWS ONLY group: that
is against our charter. There is no ducking that one, I'm afraid.

Freedom of the press is a myth and doesn't exist, not anywhere! It
never did. You only have to read a little history to see that. We have
more freedom in this respect here in the UK than seems to be the case in
the USA, but I would still not say it was true freedom - one is not
permitted to publish all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. And
this is a public forum WITH RULES (which you broke), not a newspaper!
And what relevance to the present issue has freedom of speech anyway?

I think those who commented, took it into their own hands when they
chose to read it.. by law, if you open it.. you are negotiating to its
terms regardless of what it says...

This is very muddled and almost meaningless. What are you actually
trying to say? I cannot help you if I cannot understand what you are
trying to say. I will try to answer the point I THINK you are trying to
make:

Would you like to show me the law of contract that states that one
enters a legally binding contract with whoever sends anything by
whatever means, physical or electronic, merely by opening it? Sounds
like I have a legally binding contract for about 243 penis enlargements
if this is the case... Hm - sounds like spammers heaven. Sorry - that
is muddled thinking at best. Were it true, we'd all be in the deep brown
sticky stuff with no paddles for not honouring contracts all over the
place with banks for unwanted loans, insurance companies for multiple
insurance policies on the same properties (illegal in itself) and owing
millions to book clubs for books we don't want and never received...
And all because we opened the junk mail or email to see who it was that
sent it rather than binning it without opening it at all.

I am just going to leave and go about my way... but maybe you should
turn your head and look around you at who is giving out YOUR name to
others to post here.......

Why should anyone want to post my name here for me? Don't I do that
enough as it is myself? (I was sixth on the list of posters last time I
looked!) And what would be the point? Just to say, 'Hay, look! She
exists!'? *I* know I exist, and so do lots of folk here. You can find
out how real I am if you like - there's a URL below if you want it.

Maybe you should read what I said again, and if there is something you
don't understand, just ask. I'll try to clarify any points you missed.

As far as I know *I* did not steer you here. Had we been in contact
before you posted I (and everyone else here who has commented) would
have told you NO ADDS - not for anything.

Maybe you should just stick around and learn some news group and general
netiquet from this group, as well as the power of prayer and the joy we
take in both our quilting activities and our world enhancing
friendships. We take into account those who are snippy because of
personal circumstances, whatever they are, and try to deal honestly with
all.

Had you come here and said, 'My mum is trying to raise some money for
something, and wants to know how best to go about selling her quilting
work. What would you recommend?' you would have been inundated with
excellent advice. She would have been steered towards ebay and other
selling points, offered advice about how to get her designs copyrighted
and published to sell, as patterns, kits, and books, both
electronically and in the 'real world', and advised about what sells
well and what doesn't. She would have been offered advice about how
best to advertise her things as well as wording for her ads. There are
folk here who have been in the business of selling stuff like this for
years, and who know just what works and what doesn't. As your mother
has been trying to sell the same item without success for a while now,
that is something she may well need help with. This is not to impugn
the quality of her work in any way, just to point out that bad
advertising and selling techniques are not going to sell anything, and
if what you say is true, it certainly isn't working so far. Being
ignorant of good selling techniques is no sin, and something that folk
here can correct if you ask nicely. Ignorance is bliss - we love a
chance to teach!

Occasionally we stretch a rule here or there for an established and
respected member, who might let us know that they have to off-load
something. They will not try to sell it directly here, but ask anyone
who is interested to contact them off the group for details (e.g. We are
moving to a house with far less storage space and I have 3 tons of
fabric and 23 treadle sewing machines to get rid of. Contact me if you
are interested, before I have a massive garage sale!). No notices of
eBay auctions, or that things are up on a marketplace site.
Occasionally someone will tell someone where to find an example of
something they know another person wants, and we are constantly swapping
information about where to find supplies and good books.

Sometimes someone will say, Hay, So'n'So - when's your new book out?
And the author will reply with the date and where it can be found. They
will only do this in reply to a request for that information. Again,
sometimes there will be a request for a particular fabric, and a store
will pop up with 'We have that in stock - contact me at ----', but they
will not advertise here, or at least, only once! You lose a LOT of
potential sales, advertising to news groups, and most sellers are wise
to this.

There are groups where some personal advertising is permitted (afr being
one), but they are the exception rather than the rule.

We do wish your mother well, in her fight with her weight, and there are
plenty folk here going through the same fight, and we wish her every
success in the sale of her work, BUT this is NOT the place to sell it.
We wish YOU well, too, and success in your chosen career. If you decide
not to return here, that must be your choice, and we respect that.
Personally I wish you wouldn't just vanish, as that defeats all our
intents. We wish to give you a better understanding of how this group
works and how it can help you. You got off to a bad start, and being
defensive about it doesn't help your case, but you can put things
right. ONLY you can put it right. You have been VERY gently treated
here, compared with the reception such an ad would have got in other
news groups I know of! I'll let you find them for yourself, as I have
no wish to revive the memories...

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