Single knot to a two-loop lanyard
 

Group,

The original thread seems to have died out, but here are three more
solutions to the problem of forming a non-slipping lanyard with a large
loop and a small loop, using a single knot.

1. Lay the rope in a flat S shape, with the ends overlapping 2 - 3
inches. Tie a single overhand knot in all 3 strands (both ends and the
center strand). Keep the strands even as the knot is tightened and the
result looks fairly symmetrical.

2. Tie an overhand knot in the center strand where you want the loops to
meet. Stick one end through the overhand from one side of the knot, and
the other through from the other (or tie a Tom Fool knot). You will
have one end and two long strands coming out of each side of the
overhand. Using each end, put a half hitch around both long strands as
they emerge from the overhand (one hitch on each side of the overhand).
Two wraps, as on a taut-line hitch is even better. Pull the loops so
the half hitches are snug against the central overhand. For symmetry,
make one half hitch to the left and one to the right. This may not
quite meet the "single knot" requirement, but many "single" knots are
formed of smaller interlocking components.

3. Tie an overhand knot as above, bring one end up through the overhand
and tie an interlocking overhand to form 2/3 of a Matthew Walker knot.
(Google for instructions on M.W.) Bring the other end down through the
top of the knot in an overhand knot, forming the third part of the
Matthew Walker. This may take some trial and error, but it would form a
single perfectly symmetrical knot.

Good luck,
Ford Walton

Ford and Mary Ann Walton wrote:

. . . here are three more solutions . . .

1. Lay the rope in a flat S shape . . .

I'm good here!

2. . . . (or tie a Tom Fool knot) . . .

I'm very good here!

3. Tie an overhand knot as above, bring one end up through the overhand
and tie an interlocking overhand to form 2/3 of a Matthew Walker knot.
(Google for instructions on M.W.) Bring the other end down through the
top of the knot in an overhand knot, forming the third part of the
Matthew Walker. This may take some trial and error, but it would form a
single perfectly symmetrical knot.

I'm an absolute idiot here! Any other tips you can give would be appreciated!
The pin may fall after I hit the "Post message" button; but, I doubt it!

Thanks in advance for any additional help!

Brian.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:29:02 -0400, Ford and Mary Ann Walton
wrote:

Thanks for revisiting this issue.
Your solution #1 is charming in it's simplicity and efficacy.
#2 is also simple, symmetrical, and effective.
#3 will take me more time to grasp, but it promises to be perhaps the
best solution yet.

Group,

The original thread seems to have died out, but here are three more
solutions to the problem of forming a non-slipping lanyard with a large
loop and a small loop, using a single knot.

1. Lay the rope in a flat S shape, with the ends overlapping 2 - 3
inches. Tie a single overhand knot in all 3 strands (both ends and the
center strand). Keep the strands even as the knot is tightened and the
result looks fairly symmetrical.

2. Tie an overhand knot in the center strand where you want the loops to
meet. Stick one end through the overhand from one side of the knot, and
the other through from the other (or tie a Tom Fool knot). You will
have one end and two long strands coming out of each side of the
overhand. Using each end, put a half hitch around both long strands as
they emerge from the overhand (one hitch on each side of the overhand).
Two wraps, as on a taut-line hitch is even better. Pull the loops so
the half hitches are snug against the central overhand. For symmetry,
make one half hitch to the left and one to the right. This may not
quite meet the "single knot" requirement, but many "single" knots are
formed of smaller interlocking components.

3. Tie an overhand knot as above, bring one end up through the overhand
and tie an interlocking overhand to form 2/3 of a Matthew Walker knot.
(Google for instructions on M.W.) Bring the other end down through the
top of the knot in an overhand knot, forming the third part of the
Matthew Walker. This may take some trial and error, but it would form a
single perfectly symmetrical knot.

Good luck,
Ford Walton

Brian,

I was a bit too terse with this idea. New directions: Make a bight in
the lanyard rope to form the large loop, and leave one end long enough
to form the small loop. Hold a second piece of similar rope alongside
the lanyard ends, so you have 3 strands sticking up. Tie a Matthew
Walker (or other 3 strand knot) in the strands, then, using the end of
the (longer) strand that will form the small loop, follow the second
(extra) piece of rope back down through the knot from top to bottom, and
remove the extra strand. To be really fancy, go for a star knot.

Ford Walton



Brian Grimley wrote:

Ford and Mary Ann Walton wrote:

. . . here are three more solutions . . .

1. Lay the rope in a flat S shape . . .

I'm good here!

2. . . . (or tie a Tom Fool knot) . . .

I'm very good here!

3. Tie an overhand knot as above, bring one end up through the overhand
and tie an interlocking overhand to form 2/3 of a Matthew Walker knot.
(Google for instructions on M.W.) Bring the other end down through the
top of the knot in an overhand knot, forming the third part of the
Matthew Walker. This may take some trial and error, but it would form a
single perfectly symmetrical knot.

I'm an absolute idiot here! Any other tips you can give would be appreciated!
The pin may fall after I hit the "Post message" button; but, I doubt it!

Thanks in advance for any additional help!

Brian.

The *original request* was a neck lanyard with...one knot...two =
loops...one cord. What's with all the stuff about 2 or 3 cords...with 2 =
or 3 knots...hanging from a belt, etc.....

Even the original author drifted away from the original criteria.


From: Imagine )
Subject: What Kind of Knot Should I Use?=20
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.knots
Date: 2004-04-05 11:17:42 PST=20


Using a single strand of cord, about 4 feet long, I want to make a
lanyard. I want it to have a big loop to go around the neck, and a
small loop at the bottom. I want it to have only one knot, at the
juncture of the 2 loops. It would be nice if it was symmetrical,
and/or decorative. What kind of knot should I use?


"Ford and Mary Ann Walton" wrote in message =
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Brian,
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I was a bit too terse with this idea. New directions: Make a bight in
the lanyard rope to form the large loop, and leave one end long enough
to form the small loop. Hold a second piece of similar rope alongside
the lanyard ends, so you have 3 strands sticking up. Tie a Matthew
Walker (or other 3 strand knot) in the strands, then, using the end of
the (longer) strand that will form the small loop, follow the second
(extra) piece of rope back down through the knot from top to bottom, =
and
remove the extra strand. To be really fancy, go for a star knot.
=20
Ford Walton
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Brian Grimley wrote:
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Ford and Mary Ann Walton wrote:

. . . here are three more solutions . . .

1. Lay the rope in a flat S shape . . .
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I'm good here!
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2. . . . (or tie a Tom Fool knot) . . .
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I'm very good here!
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3. Tie an overhand knot as above, bring one end up through the =
overhand
and tie an interlocking overhand to form 2/3 of a Matthew Walker =
knot.
(Google for instructions on M.W.) Bring the other end down through =
the
top of the knot in an overhand knot, forming the third part of the
Matthew Walker. This may take some trial and error, but it would =
form a
single perfectly symmetrical knot.
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I'm an absolute idiot here! Any other tips you can give would be =
appreciated!
The pin may fall after I hit the "Post message" button; but, I doubt =
it!
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Thanks in advance for any additional help!
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Brian.