crafts - Does anyone know this knot?

CraftBanter (http://www.craftbanter.com/index.php)

- Knots (http://www.craftbanter.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8)

- - Does anyone know this knot? (http://www.craftbanter.com/showthread.php?t=52871)

Does anyone know this knot?

Dear All,

Today I tied this quite useful and effective knot while trying to tie a
bowline!

I have searched realknots.com trying to find it's name but can't.

If anyone would care to have a look at it and let me know what it is, a
picture may be found he

https://www.jibekjoly.net/theshed/in...loop_in_a_rope

Thanks in advance.

David

lismoreboy wrote:
Dear All,

Today I tied this quite useful and effective knot while trying to tie a
bowline!

I have searched realknots.com trying to find it's name but can't.

If anyone would care to have a look at it and let me know what it is, a
picture may be found he

https://www.jibekjoly.net/theshed/in...loop_in_a_rope

Thanks in advance.

David

It is a capsized constrictor round its standing part.
You can see that by straightning the standing part
( uncapsizing the knot.)
Be carfull with these knots. They tend to jam when you want to untie
them and they slip when you want them to hold strong.

roper schreef:
lismoreboy wrote:

let me know what it is ...

Be carefull with these knots...

this knot is part of the: KAKINE MUSUBI
http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~tatsujin/ropework/

it is used as a finishing knot on this fence binder
http://osaka70.site.ne.jp/e/rope/japanese.html
it does not seem that way, but when you tie it, you will notice its
similarity

the kakine musubi has shown up in this newsgroup befo
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=n...com%26rnum%3D1

The loopknot was recently featured in the IGKT's Knotting Matters
(km83:33), and called the "Bollard Loop" or "Swedish Bowline".
If you tie a bowline with the fast method in which one casts a
turn in the SPart with the end after forming a simple or overhand
knot, but instead of this last formation take the end away from
the eye and bring back the SPart into the turn, you are in a
position to make what I'll call an "anti-bowline"--based on it
being a structure with a similarly nipping turn of the SPart like
the bowline's, but with the end entering this SPart loop from
the opposite side as it does for the bowline.

Sometimes the knot is tied with the end on the other side of
itself from what you show; this is less secure, but might work
well in a particular material, and it also presents the end alongside
the SPart for easy tucking (through SPart lay) or seizing. It's
this other version that is in the cited Japanese finish to some
binding knot--the symmetric version.

As noted above, under some conditions, these knots might
slip by the SPart feeding out from the eye (turning around
the end's turn), or they might--ironically--jam uncomfortably
tight (though really the loading is more pulling the knot open
than tight). I've seen the knot in 8-9mm nylon braided crab
line, where presumably it was used because like the Bwl it
1) could be tied after forming the eye, and unlike the Bwl it
2) could be jammed snug (in that material--lots of luck with
a hard PP rope!).
One can make a couple turns with the end, or SPart.

Calling it part of a "Constrictor family" is wrong--it's hardly
that, even if by some manipulation it can form a C..

Now, why's it been *hiding* from alllll of these knots books??

--dl*
====

Dan Lehman wrote:
:

Now, why's it been *hiding* from alllll of these knots books??

Simple. It is a worthless knot.
For what ever you want to use it for there is a better one for it.
Want a fast to loop knot = "Bowline"
Want a knot permenent loop knot = "bowstring" or " tugged double verhand"
Life secure = doubled eight

In " A fresh approach to Knotting work" from Charles Warner there is a
paragraph on design knots. It covers all bowline varaints of a definde
class. Only a few of them have names. The rest does not simply because
they are bad knots.

Ed.

roper wrote:

Dan Lehman asked:
Now, why's it been *hiding* from alllll of these knots books??

Simple. It is a worthless knot.
For what ever you want to use it for there is a better one for it.
Want a fast to loop knot = "Bowline"
Want a knot permenent loop knot = "bowstring" or " tugged double verhand"

Tugged what?

Life secure = doubled eight

First of all, by your logic knots books would be missing much of
what they DO show; but they aren't, so why not this? (Poldo Tackle
has a name and some appearances in the literature--worth??!)
As for "worthless", read again the end of my msg.: it in fact has
worth as
realized by some--it is a used knot. Perhaps you've tried it in some
unaccommodating rope (e.g., a firm laid PP would need seizing!)?

In " A fresh approach to Knotting work" from Charles Warner there is a
paragraph on design knots. It covers all bowline varaints of a definde
class. Only a few of them have names. The rest does not simply because
they are bad knots.

I'm not sure to which page you refer, but presumably pp.204-5, in which
a presentation of Bwl/Sheetbend-like structures are set out.
(Surprisingly
CW has "left-handed SheetBend" wrong!) More than a few are associated
with some names, and among the others are reasonable (and even named)
knots--i.p. 521H-K-L, variations of the Lapp Bend/Eskimo Bwl (which can
benefit from additional turns of the half-hitching part).

--dl*
====