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Life's story
Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group?
A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM |
But we are friends, if not family. And family and friends share most
things, especially stories. Sure 'nuff there's plenty about sewing and quilting. But I'm always interested in the gossip. And if I'm not, well, I jest don't read it. 'Nuff said. Now where was that gosh darn needle? Oww... -- Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html Member of the Houston 2004 Party Animals "buddy" wrote in message m... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM |
Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM I don't think you are forced to tell anything ( or read anything) that you don't want to...... Flossy Malvern England ***** Queen of Plaids ****** http://photos.yahoo.com/flossy3353 I agree w/Buddy and disagree w/Flossy. This NGrp is like looking in a "junk drawer": You want to find something you hope is in there somewhere, but you have to wade through a lot of stuff to find it. It does no good to say "ignore everything there but what you're looking for" We are human, yet almost as curious as our cats. I'm new at quilting, get help here, and appreciate it. Some of the "old hands" who know their craft well and willingly share their experience also like to talk about a lot of other stuff with their friends. Some might respond that I'm paying the price of admission by being an "outsider". Like a child: be seen if necessary, but not heard. Your opinions don't count here. Power sometimes corrupts. I don't like it, but it's "their" NGrp by sheer number of posts. On balance, it's worth my time, since it's the only game in town. And thanks for sharing information on quilting. |
You vould always just filter out messages that have OT in the subject or
something. That's what I did when I didn't have time. Charlie. "ruffian" wrote in message ... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM I don't think you are forced to tell anything ( or read anything) that you don't want to...... Flossy Malvern England ***** Queen of Plaids ****** http://photos.yahoo.com/flossy3353 I agree w/Buddy and disagree w/Flossy. This NGrp is like looking in a "junk drawer": You want to find something you hope is in there somewhere, but you have to wade through a lot of stuff to find it. It does no good to say "ignore everything there but what you're looking for" We are human, yet almost as curious as our cats. I'm new at quilting, get help here, and appreciate it. Some of the "old hands" who know their craft well and willingly share their experience also like to talk about a lot of other stuff with their friends. Some might respond that I'm paying the price of admission by being an "outsider". Like a child: be seen if necessary, but not heard. Your opinions don't count here. Power sometimes corrupts. I don't like it, but it's "their" NGrp by sheer number of posts. On balance, it's worth my time, since it's the only game in town. And thanks for sharing information on quilting. |
This kind of message always upsets me.
It sounds so accusatory. There are no compulsory revelations here. We have here the age-old subject of group dynamics. It is wrong to expect that this group should be any different from physical groups of people, gathering because of a common interest. Please read the following three paragraphs as applicable to cyber and physical groups.: There are those who were founder members of the group; there are those who have been around in the group for many years; there are those who have come along each month, and their membership is, by definition, for a longer or shorter time. Their knowledge of one another is usually proportional to that time. There are those who belong, but who are either too shy to take part in a conversation; or who simply do not wish to do so - or even may not attend meetings. If other members are not aware of this they cannot, of course, be included; if they are aware, then these folk are usually encouraged to participate fully. If they do not wish to, it is their choice, and that is respected. Any person entering a group, for the first time, cannot know the history of each and every member - instantly. Over time, some knowledge may be acquired (or not). Gradually it becomes apparent that there are those with whom a friendship could never be formed - not that there is anything wrong with either person, simply that the 'chemistry' is not there. On the other hand, there are those who immediately 'click' with another member and a friendship begins. This may be superficial or deep and close, just depending on how things pan out. There are as many different personalities as there are members. It certainly takes time to find one's feet in any group. At first, it might only feel 'safe' to discuss topics germane to the purpose of the group. Gradually one might feel freer to introduce other topics which one might feel would be of interest to others. Later on, one might ask for help on personal matters; or one might turn to them in time of distress. And so it grows. On this newsgroup there are people who are geographically close, and others who even belong to the same Guild. This does give them more familiarity and they can post pithy messages, to one another, within the group which could, if one was not aware of the existing friendship, appear excluding of others. This will always happen in any group. It is inevitable. I have to be one of the most thin-skinned people on earth! yet I came to understand this quite quickly. There is no malicious or cliquey intention at all. As to your - or any other newbie - being an 'outsider', it takes a considerable time for everyone to become aware of a new member. If you have been reading for any length of time, you must have seen how new members are joyfully greeted. You will not get known if we do not see you, or know your name - even an alias to sign your posts (many are used within the group). This is not a criticism, just an explanation of why you might be feeling so. Your opinions do count, of course. I dislike your use of the word 'junk'. But, using your analogy in spite of that, many people have found great treasure in a junk drawer; others derive pleasure from riffling through, especially if there are circumstances whereby their acquisition of knowledge and opportunities for chatting with others are limited. If you would like to try a really strict On Topic quilting group, you might like the British Quilt List (BQL) a Yahoo group. You simply sign up to subscribe. It is not restricted to British nationals - there are several people from the States who are members. There is a membership of about 700. I am not advertising for them, as I am no longer a member. I hope to goodness that this post is read in the spirit in which it was written. I would be mortified in the extreme, if anyone thought I was starting a flame war here. Those who know me - anywhere - would know I could not do that. .. In article , ruffian writes Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM I don't think you are forced to tell anything ( or read anything) that you don't want to...... Flossy Malvern England ***** Queen of Plaids ****** http://photos.yahoo.com/flossy3353 I agree w/Buddy and disagree w/Flossy. This NGrp is like looking in a "junk drawer": You want to find something you hope is in there somewhere, but you have to wade through a lot of stuff to find it. It does no good to say "ignore everything there but what you're looking for" We are human, yet almost as curious as our cats. I'm new at quilting, get help here, and appreciate it. Some of the "old hands" who know their craft well and willingly share their experience also like to talk about a lot of other stuff with their friends. Some might respond that I'm paying the price of admission by being an "outsider". Like a child: be seen if necessary, but not heard. Your opinions don't count here. Power sometimes corrupts. I don't like it, but it's "their" NGrp by sheer number of posts. On balance, it's worth my time, since it's the only game in town. And thanks for sharing information on quilting. -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
Yes, not only do you have to tell your entire life story, including intimate
details such as are found on the talk shows, making up good stuff if you are boring, but you also have to send a FQ to everyone before we let you post. :-) -- Wendy http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm de-fang email address to reply "buddy" wrote in message m... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM |
IMHOI think you are missing THE point of quilting, it is a metaphor for
life....It is a way of linking people who would otherwise not associate....it has historically been like this and I think those who embrace the spirit of sharing that quilting embodies also reach out naturally to others. In this world of alienation from our fellowman/woman, I personally am drawn to the people as much as the quilting. -- Mauvice in Central WI USA "buddy" wrote in message m... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM |
Take this wonderful example. I was doing as my Boss Lady, aka Butterfly,
said and devoting my 20 daily minutes to the nightmare quilt, and while up checking on one of the DDs I came to see what y'all might be talking about. BTW in case Ma'am Butterfly is listening I've managed to do 7 whirlimacallits in 2 days. Now back to scheduled regular whinin' :P -- Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html Member of the Houston 2004 Party Animals "CHARLES MURPHY" wrote in message ... IMHOI think you are missing THE point of quilting, it is a metaphor for life....It is a way of linking people who would otherwise not associate....it has historically been like this and I think those who embrace the spirit of sharing that quilting embodies also reach out naturally to others. In this world of alienation from our fellowman/woman, I personally am drawn to the people as much as the quilting. -- Mauvice in Central WI USA "buddy" wrote in message m... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM |
I'm going to crawl out of the woodwork to comment on this one. YES its
long, but that is my normal MO. Either read or delete, its your choice, but remember, you asked. First off, a LOT of us have been reading this group for YEARS. You develop friendships, some of which may last a lifetime. You get so close to some people that you start to think of them as family. Most of us would start to go through withdrawals (and do if we are away from the computer for more than a week) without each other. Most of us worry when people don't post as often as they used to (I'm guilty of not posting as frequently, but I'm pregnant, due any day, and heaven forbid I should bore you with the details of my baby's upcoming birth, although I know a ton of people here that would love to read an update). We are friends and yes, like Momma Sharon said, family. We are joined by a common interest, quilting, but after a while, you find yourself discussing more of your life with people. It's how this ng has been since I started reading/posting over 5 years ago. Second, instead of sitting around trying to change something that has been done this way for nearly 10 years, either ask for help on filtering OT posts (more than a few will offer help, no matter what your reader is), skip the OT posts, or realize that this is more like a real life quilting bee than anyone could ever imagine. At real life quilting bee's and guilds, people keep up with each other. They offer support, happy dances, share grief, and offer prayers (or warm thoughts depending on religious preference). Here you will get cyber hugs, cyber tissues, prayers of support, cyber shoulders to cry on when you feel that no one else understands, and people will grieve with you in personal loss, jump for joy at the birth of a new baby, and you really don't want to hear what happens with this group when they find out you are getting married (its a long, personal story, brings tears to my eyes no matter how many times I tell the story, and to people not on the NG that aren't familiar with what a HUG is, totally baffling that people that have never met one another will come together for the most treasured of all gifts.) Third, if you have a question and don't want to search for the answer on google, ask. I don't know of any quilter on this group that would rather send you on a hunt than answer it for you. We all started off somewhere, and we all remember where we started. I'm not the best quilter in the world, but I will offer what I can. Fourth, if you are going to post a snarky question like you did, you have the scent of a troll. Trolls are the ONE living thing on this planet I rarely feed. I hope they starve themselves and shrivel up into little raisins so I can cook them with a magnifying glass. BUT you hit a nerve with me. A BIG nerve. Maybe its hormones, maybe its me getting impatient with labor (according to my doctor last night, I've been in the early stages of labor for about 2 days and it feels like I'm not ever going to give birth), but either way, you opened your mouth, and I know I'm not the only one that is going to come running to the defense of the group, for the groups sake. There are other quilting forums out there (they have already been suggested), or you can go to MSN or Yahoo and start your own. Be forewarned though, quilters love to chat, and you will probably find yourself amassed in an ocean of OT posts wherever you go. Karlee in Kansas "Sharon Harper" wrote in message u... | But we are friends, if not family. And family and friends share most | things, especially stories. Sure 'nuff there's plenty about sewing and | quilting. But I'm always interested in the gossip. And if I'm not, well, I | jest don't read it. 'Nuff said. Now where was that gosh darn needle? | Oww... | | -- | Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) | http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html | Member of the Houston 2004 Party Animals | "buddy" wrote in message | m... | Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? | A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. | DM | | | | |
Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group?
A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM Amen. I cannot begin to tell you how little I care about reading about other people's trials and tribuations. OT usually takes care of that problem. But often the quilting answers are buried by responses that have no relevance whatsover. Like everything else, gotta take the bad with the good. However, if you upset the board 'divas,' prepare to be scorched. : They are very tolerant of most everything except criticism. joan joan o'reilly New 311 Album--EVOLVER--July 22nd www.311.com |
Maybe we ought to start marking the On Topic posts!
-- Wendy, duckin' and runnin' http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm de-fang email address to reply "Queen of Squishies" wrote in message link.net... This ng is just like my real quilting group. We talk about everything under the sun, and sewing and quilting when it comes up too. I love this group. I can be myself here, and if I ask a quilty question I get several very good answers. Thanks guys! Karen, Queen of Squishies |
You are not mistaken. This is the person that accused Kate of
self-promotion and selling her services via the NG. Sharon Harper wrote: Just a thought I had. Wasn't ruffian involved with the kerfuffle we had a while back over Our Kate's website? If not, I humbly apologise, otherwise.... |
"Joan8904" wrote in message
... | Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? | A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. | DM | | | Amen. I cannot begin to tell you how little I care about reading about other | people's trials and tribuations. OT usually takes care of that problem. But | often the quilting answers are buried by responses that have no relevance | whatsover. Like everything else, gotta take the bad with the good. Herin lies my point. You learn to skip posts. You learn to ignore what you don't want to read. Joan has been here for longer than me, and I have not heard her voice her opinion on OT posts until now. Either way, IMHO, we are all allowed our opinion. Joans opinion is that she doesn't like the OT posts. My opinion is that I love them. Neither opinion is wrong, neither is right. We agree to disagree. | | However, if you upset the board 'divas,' prepare to be scorched. : They are | very tolerant of most everything except criticism. I by no means,do I consider myself a diva....I'm just overly cranky today. BTW, on a side note for Joan, I'm taking "Grassroots" to the hospital with me for some labor music g Karlee in Kansas who is wondering if/how she can get her favorite 311 cd autographed....... | | joan | | | joan o'reilly | New 311 Album--EVOLVER--July 22nd | www.311.com | |
Yep! Now, where's YOURS? ;o)
Shelly "buddy" wrote in message m... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03 |
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
You may want to try other online quilt groups if you find this one to chatty for you, but my own experience has been that the others are even less on topic than this one. Most newsgroup reading programs allow you to filter out the OT posts. Maybe that would help? Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "buddy" wrote in message m... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM |
Youre only an outsider as long as you choose to stay outside with your nose
pressed to the window. There is no clique here, just groups waiting to be joined. Its kind of like an AA meeting, take what you need and leave the rest. This isnt the only game in town ruffian. It may well be the best tho. Look around online. www.about.com has a forum for quilters. If you decide to stay here then perhaps you may want to learn how to filter out the OT posts using your newsgroup readers filter functions. Its wise advice since its very unlikely you will get the chatty ones of us to stop talking. :-) Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "ruffian" wrote in message ... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM I don't think you are forced to tell anything ( or read anything) that you don't want to...... Flossy Malvern England ***** Queen of Plaids ****** http://photos.yahoo.com/flossy3353 I agree w/Buddy and disagree w/Flossy. This NGrp is like looking in a "junk drawer": You want to find something you hope is in there somewhere, but you have to wade through a lot of stuff to find it. It does no good to say "ignore everything there but what you're looking for" We are human, yet almost as curious as our cats. I'm new at quilting, get help here, and appreciate it. Some of the "old hands" who know their craft well and willingly share their experience also like to talk about a lot of other stuff with their friends. Some might respond that I'm paying the price of admission by being an "outsider". Like a child: be seen if necessary, but not heard. Your opinions don't count here. Power sometimes corrupts. I don't like it, but it's "their" NGrp by sheer number of posts. On balance, it's worth my time, since it's the only game in town. And thanks for sharing information on quilting. |
TY for the labor vibes....I'm just looking at "speedy vibes" more than
"comfort vibes". According to the doc that I saw last night, I've been in labor, early early labor, for about 2 days now. I'm uncomfortable. I can't sleep. I have little interest in food. I'm cranky as all get out. I'll let you know all the fun details after she is born and home, I promise. Karlee in Kansas, who is feeling a little bit like an elephant who carries a baby for 22 months. and who wishes the contractions would either stop or do something productive. "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... | Beautifully said, Karlee...absolutely wonderful. I wouldnt change a word. | Now that youre out in the open Karlee, let me say this... Im sure I speak | for many when I send you safe and comfortable labor vibes. Please let us | know, when youre ready, about your new arrival so we may properly celebrate | her entrance into this world. | Hugs, | Diana | |
Karlee in Kansas who is wondering if/how she can get her favorite 311 cd
autographed....... I'm sure that can be arranged. joan o'reilly 8904 florence dr bellevue ne 68147 joan o'reilly New 311 Album--EVOLVER--July 22nd www.311.com |
My wonderful, wunnerful, cyber daughter! You put it into words much better
than I could. Sending you love and hugs for an easy (relatively) pain free birth. Thinking of you. Take care my sweetie! -- Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html Member of the Houston 2004 Party Animals "Karlee in Kansas" wrote in message ... I'm going to crawl out of the woodwork to comment on this one. YES its long, but that is my normal MO. Either read or delete, its your choice, but remember, you asked. First off, a LOT of us have been reading this group for YEARS. You develop friendships, some of which may last a lifetime. You get so close to some people that you start to think of them as family. Most of us would start to go through withdrawals (and do if we are away from the computer for more than a week) without each other. Most of us worry when people don't post as often as they used to (I'm guilty of not posting as frequently, but I'm pregnant, due any day, and heaven forbid I should bore you with the details of my baby's upcoming birth, although I know a ton of people here that would love to read an update). We are friends and yes, like Momma Sharon said, family. We are joined by a common interest, quilting, but after a while, you find yourself discussing more of your life with people. It's how this ng has been since I started reading/posting over 5 years ago. Second, instead of sitting around trying to change something that has been done this way for nearly 10 years, either ask for help on filtering OT posts (more than a few will offer help, no matter what your reader is), skip the OT posts, or realize that this is more like a real life quilting bee than anyone could ever imagine. At real life quilting bee's and guilds, people keep up with each other. They offer support, happy dances, share grief, and offer prayers (or warm thoughts depending on religious preference). Here you will get cyber hugs, cyber tissues, prayers of support, cyber shoulders to cry on when you feel that no one else understands, and people will grieve with you in personal loss, jump for joy at the birth of a new baby, and you really don't want to hear what happens with this group when they find out you are getting married (its a long, personal story, brings tears to my eyes no matter how many times I tell the story, and to people not on the NG that aren't familiar with what a HUG is, totally baffling that people that have never met one another will come together for the most treasured of all gifts.) Third, if you have a question and don't want to search for the answer on google, ask. I don't know of any quilter on this group that would rather send you on a hunt than answer it for you. We all started off somewhere, and we all remember where we started. I'm not the best quilter in the world, but I will offer what I can. Fourth, if you are going to post a snarky question like you did, you have the scent of a troll. Trolls are the ONE living thing on this planet I rarely feed. I hope they starve themselves and shrivel up into little raisins so I can cook them with a magnifying glass. BUT you hit a nerve with me. A BIG nerve. Maybe its hormones, maybe its me getting impatient with labor (according to my doctor last night, I've been in the early stages of labor for about 2 days and it feels like I'm not ever going to give birth), but either way, you opened your mouth, and I know I'm not the only one that is going to come running to the defense of the group, for the groups sake. There are other quilting forums out there (they have already been suggested), or you can go to MSN or Yahoo and start your own. Be forewarned though, quilters love to chat, and you will probably find yourself amassed in an ocean of OT posts wherever you go. Karlee in Kansas "Sharon Harper" wrote in message u... | But we are friends, if not family. And family and friends share most | things, especially stories. Sure 'nuff there's plenty about sewing and | quilting. But I'm always interested in the gossip. And if I'm not, well, I | jest don't read it. 'Nuff said. Now where was that gosh darn needle? | Oww... | | -- | Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) | http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html | Member of the Houston 2004 Party Animals | "buddy" wrote in message | m... | Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? | A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. | DM | | | | |
Well if'n both of you would turn up at Houston in '04 we may just work out
the tiara thingy! -- Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html Member of the Houston 2004 Party Animals "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... You cant be a diva Karlee... you have no sparkly tiara yet. Guess that means I am not either... but lord, how I try. Sniff. :-) Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "Karlee in Kansas" wrote in message ... "Joan8904" wrote in message ... | Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? | A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. | DM | | | Amen. I cannot begin to tell you how little I care about reading about other | people's trials and tribuations. OT usually takes care of that problem. But | often the quilting answers are buried by responses that have no relevance | whatsover. Like everything else, gotta take the bad with the good. Herin lies my point. You learn to skip posts. You learn to ignore what you don't want to read. Joan has been here for longer than me, and I have not heard her voice her opinion on OT posts until now. Either way, IMHO, we are all allowed our opinion. Joans opinion is that she doesn't like the OT posts. My opinion is that I love them. Neither opinion is wrong, neither is right. We agree to disagree. | | However, if you upset the board 'divas,' prepare to be scorched. : They are | very tolerant of most everything except criticism. I by no means,do I consider myself a diva....I'm just overly cranky today. BTW, on a side note for Joan, I'm taking "Grassroots" to the hospital with me for some labor music g Karlee in Kansas who is wondering if/how she can get her favorite 311 cd autographed....... | | joan | | | joan o'reilly | New 311 Album--EVOLVER--July 22nd | www.311.com | |
VBG
That just made my whole day!!! Thanks Joan!!! Still grinning Karlee in Kansas "Joan8904" wrote in message ... | Karlee in Kansas who is wondering if/how she can get her favorite 311 cd | autographed....... | | I'm sure that can be arranged. | | joan o'reilly | 8904 florence dr | bellevue ne 68147 | joan o'reilly | New 311 Album--EVOLVER--July 22nd | www.311.com | |
Excellent post!
-- LN in NH a crazy quilter * hand quilter * & hand appliquér all in all --- a very slow quilter.... So send quilts! http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed "Patti" wrote in message ... This kind of message always upsets me. It sounds so accusatory. There are no compulsory revelations here. We have here the age-old subject of group dynamics. It is wrong to expect that this group should be any different from physical groups of people, gathering because of a common interest. Please read the following three paragraphs as applicable to cyber and physical groups.: There are those who were founder members of the group; there are those who have been around in the group for many years; there are those who have come along each month, and their membership is, by definition, for a longer or shorter time. Their knowledge of one another is usually proportional to that time. There are those who belong, but who are either too shy to take part in a conversation; or who simply do not wish to do so - or even may not attend meetings. If other members are not aware of this they cannot, of course, be included; if they are aware, then these folk are usually encouraged to participate fully. If they do not wish to, it is their choice, and that is respected. Any person entering a group, for the first time, cannot know the history of each and every member - instantly. Over time, some knowledge may be acquired (or not). Gradually it becomes apparent that there are those with whom a friendship could never be formed - not that there is anything wrong with either person, simply that the 'chemistry' is not there. On the other hand, there are those who immediately 'click' with another member and a friendship begins. This may be superficial or deep and close, just depending on how things pan out. There are as many different personalities as there are members. It certainly takes time to find one's feet in any group. At first, it might only feel 'safe' to discuss topics germane to the purpose of the group. Gradually one might feel freer to introduce other topics which one might feel would be of interest to others. Later on, one might ask for help on personal matters; or one might turn to them in time of distress. And so it grows. On this newsgroup there are people who are geographically close, and others who even belong to the same Guild. This does give them more familiarity and they can post pithy messages, to one another, within the group which could, if one was not aware of the existing friendship, appear excluding of others. This will always happen in any group. It is inevitable. I have to be one of the most thin-skinned people on earth! yet I came to understand this quite quickly. There is no malicious or cliquey intention at all. As to your - or any other newbie - being an 'outsider', it takes a considerable time for everyone to become aware of a new member. If you have been reading for any length of time, you must have seen how new members are joyfully greeted. You will not get known if we do not see you, or know your name - even an alias to sign your posts (many are used within the group). This is not a criticism, just an explanation of why you might be feeling so. Your opinions do count, of course. I dislike your use of the word 'junk'. But, using your analogy in spite of that, many people have found great treasure in a junk drawer; others derive pleasure from riffling through, especially if there are circumstances whereby their acquisition of knowledge and opportunities for chatting with others are limited. If you would like to try a really strict On Topic quilting group, you might like the British Quilt List (BQL) a Yahoo group. You simply sign up to subscribe. It is not restricted to British nationals - there are several people from the States who are members. There is a membership of about 700. I am not advertising for them, as I am no longer a member. I hope to goodness that this post is read in the spirit in which it was written. I would be mortified in the extreme, if anyone thought I was starting a flame war here. Those who know me - anywhere - would know I could not do that. . In article , ruffian writes Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM I don't think you are forced to tell anything ( or read anything) that you don't want to...... Flossy Malvern England ***** Queen of Plaids ****** http://photos.yahoo.com/flossy3353 I agree w/Buddy and disagree w/Flossy. This NGrp is like looking in a "junk drawer": You want to find something you hope is in there somewhere, but you have to wade through a lot of stuff to find it. It does no good to say "ignore everything there but what you're looking for" We are human, yet almost as curious as our cats. I'm new at quilting, get help here, and appreciate it. Some of the "old hands" who know their craft well and willingly share their experience also like to talk about a lot of other stuff with their friends. Some might respond that I'm paying the price of admission by being an "outsider". Like a child: be seen if necessary, but not heard. Your opinions don't count here. Power sometimes corrupts. I don't like it, but it's "their" NGrp by sheer number of posts. On balance, it's worth my time, since it's the only game in town. And thanks for sharing information on quilting. -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
I'm going to *try* to be there...BUT. BUT is a big word in this house
right now...and its still a semi secret (no, my mother isn't happy about it, but there is a lot of stuff that she will just have to live with being unhappy about). I have to leave here in a few minutes to take the kidlet to school, but when I come back, I'll get some more juice (bout the only thing that I really want these days) and post a very lengthy update on what I've been doing in the past few weeks, and about The Big Secret. Hugs Karlee in Kansas "Sharon Harper" wrote in message u... | Well if'n both of you would turn up at Houston in '04 we may just work out | the tiara thingy! | | -- | Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) | http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html | Member of the Houston 2004 Party Animals | "Diana Curtis" wrote in message | ... | You cant be a diva Karlee... you have no sparkly tiara yet. | Guess that means I am not either... but lord, how I try. Sniff. | :-) | Diana | | -- | http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 | "Karlee in Kansas" wrote in message | ... | "Joan8904" wrote in message | ... | | Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? | | A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. | | DM | | | | | | Amen. I cannot begin to tell you how little I care about reading | about | other | | people's trials and tribuations. OT usually takes care of that | problem. | But | | often the quilting answers are buried by responses that have no | relevance | | whatsover. Like everything else, gotta take the bad with the good. | | Herin lies my point. You learn to skip posts. You learn to ignore what | you don't want to read. Joan has been here for longer than me, and I | have | not heard her voice her opinion on OT posts until now. Either way, | IMHO, | we are all allowed our opinion. Joans opinion is that she doesn't like | the | OT posts. My opinion is that I love them. Neither opinion is wrong, | neither is right. We agree to disagree. | | | | | However, if you upset the board 'divas,' prepare to be scorched. : | They are | | very tolerant of most everything except criticism. | | I by no means,do I consider myself a diva....I'm just overly cranky | today. | | | BTW, on a side note for Joan, I'm taking "Grassroots" to the hospital | with | me for some labor music g | | Karlee in Kansas who is wondering if/how she can get her favorite 311 cd | autographed....... | | | | | | joan | | | | | | joan o'reilly | | New 311 Album--EVOLVER--July 22nd | | www.311.com | | | | | | | | | | |
and must we pay for protection by way of FQs?
-- LN in NH a crazy quilter * hand quilter * & hand appliquér all in all --- a very slow quilter.... So send quilts! http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... I thought that was a very friendly explanation.... and if anyone disagrees with me I will sic the divas on them. :-) Diana, with tongue firmly in cheek about the divas. Who are the divas...and what do they want?? -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "Patti" wrote in message ... This kind of message always upsets me. It sounds so accusatory. There are no compulsory revelations here. We have here the age-old subject of group dynamics. It is wrong to expect that this group should be any different from physical groups of people, gathering because of a common interest. Please read the following three paragraphs as applicable to cyber and physical groups.: There are those who were founder members of the group; there are those who have been around in the group for many years; there are those who have come along each month, and their membership is, by definition, for a longer or shorter time. Their knowledge of one another is usually proportional to that time. There are those who belong, but who are either too shy to take part in a conversation; or who simply do not wish to do so - or even may not attend meetings. If other members are not aware of this they cannot, of course, be included; if they are aware, then these folk are usually encouraged to participate fully. If they do not wish to, it is their choice, and that is respected. Any person entering a group, for the first time, cannot know the history of each and every member - instantly. Over time, some knowledge may be acquired (or not). Gradually it becomes apparent that there are those with whom a friendship could never be formed - not that there is anything wrong with either person, simply that the 'chemistry' is not there. On the other hand, there are those who immediately 'click' with another member and a friendship begins. This may be superficial or deep and close, just depending on how things pan out. There are as many different personalities as there are members. It certainly takes time to find one's feet in any group. At first, it might only feel 'safe' to discuss topics germane to the purpose of the group. Gradually one might feel freer to introduce other topics which one might feel would be of interest to others. Later on, one might ask for help on personal matters; or one might turn to them in time of distress. And so it grows. On this newsgroup there are people who are geographically close, and others who even belong to the same Guild. This does give them more familiarity and they can post pithy messages, to one another, within the group which could, if one was not aware of the existing friendship, appear excluding of others. This will always happen in any group. It is inevitable. I have to be one of the most thin-skinned people on earth! yet I came to understand this quite quickly. There is no malicious or cliquey intention at all. As to your - or any other newbie - being an 'outsider', it takes a considerable time for everyone to become aware of a new member. If you have been reading for any length of time, you must have seen how new members are joyfully greeted. You will not get known if we do not see you, or know your name - even an alias to sign your posts (many are used within the group). This is not a criticism, just an explanation of why you might be feeling so. Your opinions do count, of course. I dislike your use of the word 'junk'. But, using your analogy in spite of that, many people have found great treasure in a junk drawer; others derive pleasure from riffling through, especially if there are circumstances whereby their acquisition of knowledge and opportunities for chatting with others are limited. If you would like to try a really strict On Topic quilting group, you might like the British Quilt List (BQL) a Yahoo group. You simply sign up to subscribe. It is not restricted to British nationals - there are several people from the States who are members. There is a membership of about 700. I am not advertising for them, as I am no longer a member. I hope to goodness that this post is read in the spirit in which it was written. I would be mortified in the extreme, if anyone thought I was starting a flame war here. Those who know me - anywhere - would know I could not do that. . In article , ruffian writes Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM I don't think you are forced to tell anything ( or read anything) that you don't want to...... Flossy Malvern England ***** Queen of Plaids ****** http://photos.yahoo.com/flossy3353 I agree w/Buddy and disagree w/Flossy. This NGrp is like looking in a "junk drawer": You want to find something you hope is in there somewhere, but you have to wade through a lot of stuff to find it. It does no good to say "ignore everything there but what you're looking for" We are human, yet almost as curious as our cats. I'm new at quilting, get help here, and appreciate it. Some of the "old hands" who know their craft well and willingly share their experience also like to talk about a lot of other stuff with their friends. Some might respond that I'm paying the price of admission by being an "outsider". Like a child: be seen if necessary, but not heard. Your opinions don't count here. Power sometimes corrupts. I don't like it, but it's "their" NGrp by sheer number of posts. On balance, it's worth my time, since it's the only game in town. And thanks for sharing information on quilting. -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
Whew! Im so glad you explained...
Now, had I gotten to know you better thru some OT posting and all I might have known this was meant as humor. ;-P heehee... I wish there could be a very good way to seperate the OT chatty posts from the ones that are truly on topic, but right now there isnt. It does help when we remember to put OT in the topic...as you pointed out this one surely should have been marked as such. Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "IMS" wrote in message ... By the way folks, I was just kidding with the 'starting another newsgroup' part of the post! I realize I have an off the beaten path kind of humor but sometimes don't realize how it'll be read until after I read it myself!!! :-) On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:49:58 GMT, IMS wrote: Except that....posts like this don't have OT in the subject line! ;-) It seems every now and then a member here gets the desire to 'know' others better and posts a open ended question that is remotely associated with quilting (and sometimes not at all). Maybe they should start another newsgroup devoted to self-disclosure.... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:53:44 +0100, "Charlie" wrote: You vould always just filter out messages that have OT in the subject or something. That's what I did when I didn't have time. Charlie. "ruffian" wrote in message ... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM I don't think you are forced to tell anything ( or read anything) that you don't want to...... Flossy Malvern England ***** Queen of Plaids ****** http://photos.yahoo.com/flossy3353 I agree w/Buddy and disagree w/Flossy. This NGrp is like looking in a "junk drawer": You want to find something you hope is in there somewhere, but you have to wade through a lot of stuff to find it. It does no good to say "ignore everything there but what you're looking for" We are human, yet almost as curious as our cats. I'm new at quilting, get help here, and appreciate it. Some of the "old hands" who know their craft well and willingly share their experience also like to talk about a lot of other stuff with their friends. Some might respond that I'm paying the price of admission by being an "outsider". Like a child: be seen if necessary, but not heard. Your opinions don't count here. Power sometimes corrupts. I don't like it, but it's "their" NGrp by sheer number of posts. On balance, it's worth my time, since it's the only game in town. And thanks for sharing information on quilting. |
Looks like I am going to have a very busy day googling to find everyones
posts with life storys. I want the dirt! Now, really... the people who get upset over OT posts have to realize that this is a public forum. No one can make anyone do anything... its like herding cats to the bath... Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "frood" wrote in message . com... Yes, not only do you have to tell your entire life story, including intimate details such as are found on the talk shows, making up good stuff if you are boring, but you also have to send a FQ to everyone before we let you post. :-) -- Wendy http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm de-fang email address to reply "buddy" wrote in message m... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM |
Pat says there's a really strict quilt group over at Yahoo? Oh, come on
now, Pat. Isn't that as impossible as herding cats? Actually, I'm glad she mentioned it. I thought there might be one for those who want to be part of a quilting only group. Polly (Diva #15 and delighted to hear your life story, especially Karlee's today. Best wishes for a happy birthday for baby daughter.) LN (remove NOSPAM) wrote in message ... and must we pay for protection by way of FQs? Pat wrote (in part) If you would like to try a really strict On Topic quilting group, you might like the British Quilt List (BQL) a Yahoo group. You simply sign up to subscribe. It is not restricted to British nationals - there are several people from the States who are members. There is a membership of about 700. I am not advertising for them, as I am no longer a member. I hope to goodness that this post is read in the spirit in which it was written. I would be mortified in the extreme, if anyone thought I was starting a flame war here. Those who know me - anywhere - would know I could not do that. . |
Well, Polly dear, I did say I was no longer a member!!!!!
.. In article k.net, Polly Esther writes Pat says there's a really strict quilt group over at Yahoo? Oh, come on now, Pat. Isn't that as impossible as herding cats? Actually, I'm glad she mentioned it. I thought there might be one for those who want to be part of a quilting only group. Polly (Diva #15 and delighted to hear your life story, especially Karlee's today. Best wishes for a happy birthday for baby daughter.) -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
"buddy" wrote in message m... Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. God bless you my child. You obviously have needs that will take a higher power to help solve since you are turning down any help that could possibly be given here. It's sad that you feel you must shun these wonderful people. Besides, WE don't ALL tell our life story on here because the word WE includes yourself and I don't recall you posting your life story here. If you don't want to read every post then just hit the delete key or hit CTRL T to mark the thread read and be done with it. Something you might want to remember though is that by getting to know people and their life story and by sharing your, people are more willing to share their knowledge of the things that you want to know such as quilting. No one if forcing you to be in this NG but yourself. YOU make the choice to be here. Mika |
Beautifully said, Karlee...absolutely wonderful. I wouldnt change a word.
Now that youre out in the open Karlee, let me say this... Im sure I speak for many when I send you safe and comfortable labor vibes. Please let us know, when youre ready, about your new arrival so we may properly celebrate her entrance into this world. Hugs, Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "Karlee in Kansas" wrote in message ... I'm going to crawl out of the woodwork to comment on this one. YES its long, but that is my normal MO. Either read or delete, its your choice, but remember, you asked. First off, a LOT of us have been reading this group for YEARS. You develop friendships, some of which may last a lifetime. You get so close to some people that you start to think of them as family. Most of us would start to go through withdrawals (and do if we are away from the computer for more than a week) without each other. Most of us worry when people don't post as often as they used to (I'm guilty of not posting as frequently, but I'm pregnant, due any day, and heaven forbid I should bore you with the details of my baby's upcoming birth, although I know a ton of people here that would love to read an update). We are friends and yes, like Momma Sharon said, family. We are joined by a common interest, quilting, but after a while, you find yourself discussing more of your life with people. It's how this ng has been since I started reading/posting over 5 years ago. Second, instead of sitting around trying to change something that has been done this way for nearly 10 years, either ask for help on filtering OT posts (more than a few will offer help, no matter what your reader is), skip the OT posts, or realize that this is more like a real life quilting bee than anyone could ever imagine. At real life quilting bee's and guilds, people keep up with each other. They offer support, happy dances, share grief, and offer prayers (or warm thoughts depending on religious preference). Here you will get cyber hugs, cyber tissues, prayers of support, cyber shoulders to cry on when you feel that no one else understands, and people will grieve with you in personal loss, jump for joy at the birth of a new baby, and you really don't want to hear what happens with this group when they find out you are getting married (its a long, personal story, brings tears to my eyes no matter how many times I tell the story, and to people not on the NG that aren't familiar with what a HUG is, totally baffling that people that have never met one another will come together for the most treasured of all gifts.) Third, if you have a question and don't want to search for the answer on google, ask. I don't know of any quilter on this group that would rather send you on a hunt than answer it for you. We all started off somewhere, and we all remember where we started. I'm not the best quilter in the world, but I will offer what I can. Fourth, if you are going to post a snarky question like you did, you have the scent of a troll. Trolls are the ONE living thing on this planet I rarely feed. I hope they starve themselves and shrivel up into little raisins so I can cook them with a magnifying glass. BUT you hit a nerve with me. A BIG nerve. Maybe its hormones, maybe its me getting impatient with labor (according to my doctor last night, I've been in the early stages of labor for about 2 days and it feels like I'm not ever going to give birth), but either way, you opened your mouth, and I know I'm not the only one that is going to come running to the defense of the group, for the groups sake. There are other quilting forums out there (they have already been suggested), or you can go to MSN or Yahoo and start your own. Be forewarned though, quilters love to chat, and you will probably find yourself amassed in an ocean of OT posts wherever you go. Karlee in Kansas "Sharon Harper" wrote in message u... | But we are friends, if not family. And family and friends share most | things, especially stories. Sure 'nuff there's plenty about sewing and | quilting. But I'm always interested in the gossip. And if I'm not, well, I | jest don't read it. 'Nuff said. Now where was that gosh darn needle? | Oww... | | -- | Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) | http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html | Member of the Houston 2004 Party Animals | "buddy" wrote in message | m... | Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? | A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. | DM | | | | |
You cant be a diva Karlee... you have no sparkly tiara yet.
Guess that means I am not either... but lord, how I try. Sniff. :-) Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "Karlee in Kansas" wrote in message ... "Joan8904" wrote in message ... | Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? | A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. | DM | | | Amen. I cannot begin to tell you how little I care about reading about other | people's trials and tribuations. OT usually takes care of that problem. But | often the quilting answers are buried by responses that have no relevance | whatsover. Like everything else, gotta take the bad with the good. Herin lies my point. You learn to skip posts. You learn to ignore what you don't want to read. Joan has been here for longer than me, and I have not heard her voice her opinion on OT posts until now. Either way, IMHO, we are all allowed our opinion. Joans opinion is that she doesn't like the OT posts. My opinion is that I love them. Neither opinion is wrong, neither is right. We agree to disagree. | | However, if you upset the board 'divas,' prepare to be scorched. : They are | very tolerant of most everything except criticism. I by no means,do I consider myself a diva....I'm just overly cranky today. BTW, on a side note for Joan, I'm taking "Grassroots" to the hospital with me for some labor music g Karlee in Kansas who is wondering if/how she can get her favorite 311 cd autographed....... | | joan | | | joan o'reilly | New 311 Album--EVOLVER--July 22nd | www.311.com | |
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Karlee --
Sending good thoughts for a quick and easy delivery and a healthy baby. Love in Stitches, Coleen "Karlee in Kansas" wrote in message ... Maybe its hormones, maybe its me getting impatient with labor (according to my doctor last night, I've been in the early stages of labor for about 2 days and it feels like I'm not ever going to give birth), but either way, you opened your mouth, and I know I'm not the only one that is going to come running to the defense of the group, for the groups sake. There are other quilting forums out there (they have already been suggested), or you can go to MSN or Yahoo and start your own. Be forewarned though, quilters love to chat, and you will probably find yourself amassed in an ocean of OT posts wherever you go. Karlee in Kansas |
I agree with Karen. I read this group all day long. Sometimes I mark
lengthy threads as read when I have fewer minutes to browse and other times I read them all, reply when I want to and go to every link offered to see what I may be missing! This group has the nicest people as members although there are one or two who like to stir things up.....:-) My quilting has improved greatly because of the info gleaned from this group..... -- Laurie G. "If you're not going to snort, why even laugh?" Queen of Squishies wrote: This ng is just like my real quilting group. We talk about everything under the sun, and sewing and quilting when it comes up too. I love this group. I can be myself here, and if I ask a quilty question I get several very good answers. Thanks guys! Karen, Queen of Squishies |
I thought that was a very friendly explanation.... and if anyone disagrees
with me I will sic the divas on them. :-) Diana, with tongue firmly in cheek about the divas. Who are the divas...and what do they want?? -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "Patti" wrote in message ... This kind of message always upsets me. It sounds so accusatory. There are no compulsory revelations here. We have here the age-old subject of group dynamics. It is wrong to expect that this group should be any different from physical groups of people, gathering because of a common interest. Please read the following three paragraphs as applicable to cyber and physical groups.: There are those who were founder members of the group; there are those who have been around in the group for many years; there are those who have come along each month, and their membership is, by definition, for a longer or shorter time. Their knowledge of one another is usually proportional to that time. There are those who belong, but who are either too shy to take part in a conversation; or who simply do not wish to do so - or even may not attend meetings. If other members are not aware of this they cannot, of course, be included; if they are aware, then these folk are usually encouraged to participate fully. If they do not wish to, it is their choice, and that is respected. Any person entering a group, for the first time, cannot know the history of each and every member - instantly. Over time, some knowledge may be acquired (or not). Gradually it becomes apparent that there are those with whom a friendship could never be formed - not that there is anything wrong with either person, simply that the 'chemistry' is not there. On the other hand, there are those who immediately 'click' with another member and a friendship begins. This may be superficial or deep and close, just depending on how things pan out. There are as many different personalities as there are members. It certainly takes time to find one's feet in any group. At first, it might only feel 'safe' to discuss topics germane to the purpose of the group. Gradually one might feel freer to introduce other topics which one might feel would be of interest to others. Later on, one might ask for help on personal matters; or one might turn to them in time of distress. And so it grows. On this newsgroup there are people who are geographically close, and others who even belong to the same Guild. This does give them more familiarity and they can post pithy messages, to one another, within the group which could, if one was not aware of the existing friendship, appear excluding of others. This will always happen in any group. It is inevitable. I have to be one of the most thin-skinned people on earth! yet I came to understand this quite quickly. There is no malicious or cliquey intention at all. As to your - or any other newbie - being an 'outsider', it takes a considerable time for everyone to become aware of a new member. If you have been reading for any length of time, you must have seen how new members are joyfully greeted. You will not get known if we do not see you, or know your name - even an alias to sign your posts (many are used within the group). This is not a criticism, just an explanation of why you might be feeling so. Your opinions do count, of course. I dislike your use of the word 'junk'. But, using your analogy in spite of that, many people have found great treasure in a junk drawer; others derive pleasure from riffling through, especially if there are circumstances whereby their acquisition of knowledge and opportunities for chatting with others are limited. If you would like to try a really strict On Topic quilting group, you might like the British Quilt List (BQL) a Yahoo group. You simply sign up to subscribe. It is not restricted to British nationals - there are several people from the States who are members. There is a membership of about 700. I am not advertising for them, as I am no longer a member. I hope to goodness that this post is read in the spirit in which it was written. I would be mortified in the extreme, if anyone thought I was starting a flame war here. Those who know me - anywhere - would know I could not do that. . In article , ruffian writes Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM I don't think you are forced to tell anything ( or read anything) that you don't want to...... Flossy Malvern England ***** Queen of Plaids ****** http://photos.yahoo.com/flossy3353 I agree w/Buddy and disagree w/Flossy. This NGrp is like looking in a "junk drawer": You want to find something you hope is in there somewhere, but you have to wade through a lot of stuff to find it. It does no good to say "ignore everything there but what you're looking for" We are human, yet almost as curious as our cats. I'm new at quilting, get help here, and appreciate it. Some of the "old hands" who know their craft well and willingly share their experience also like to talk about a lot of other stuff with their friends. Some might respond that I'm paying the price of admission by being an "outsider". Like a child: be seen if necessary, but not heard. Your opinions don't count here. Power sometimes corrupts. I don't like it, but it's "their" NGrp by sheer number of posts. On balance, it's worth my time, since it's the only game in town. And thanks for sharing information on quilting. -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
I have no idea. I'm only in charge in my house cuz I know where stuff is!
-- Wendy http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm De-Fang email address to reply "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... Im glad you arent too. There would be no living with you then. Pssst... how do I get to be a diva? Id like to flame sometime. Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "frood" wrote in message . com... Sure glad I'm not one of those! -- Wendy, running as fast as I can in my high-heel boots! http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm de-fang email address to reply "Joan8904" wrote in message ... snipped However, if you upset the board 'divas,' prepare to be scorched. : They are very tolerant of most everything except criticism. joan joan o'reilly New 311 Album--EVOLVER--July 22nd www.311.com |
Karlee in Kansas wrote:
I'm going to crawl out of the woodwork to comment on this one. YES its long, but that is my normal MO. Either read or delete, its your choice, but remember, you asked. Gently snipped! Oh, goody goody! She's still with us! REALLY looking forward to the good news, and sending comfortable speedy delivery vibes from the top of the cold damp North Downs! -- Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
Diana Curtis wrote:
Im glad you arent too. There would be no living with you then. Pssst... how do I get to be a diva? Id like to flame sometime. Diana Buy a flame thrower and a pool wiv a high board... ;P -- Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
This is a troll, ignore it. However, nice little thread we got going, hmmm?? Cheers, lynne in Toronto buddy wrote: Do we all have to tell our life's story on this group? A little bit about sewing and quilting is enough. DM |
Mmmm, smallish goats...
-- Wendy http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm De-Fang email address to reply "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... How can you tell for sure?? Does it smell like a troll, look like a troll.... eat smallish goats like a troll??? casting aspersions around like that...tsk tsk. hahahha Diana -- |
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