Popular Misconception *a rant about group policy*
 

..
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt. It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you. Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they pay to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we decide as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police such a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Is it considered advertising if someone is looking for a certain fabric and
Paul from Equilter gives a link to it??
I've never thought of that as such. His posts are never unsolicited...they
are in response to an inquiry. I haven't been here very long, so I may have
the wrong slant on things.
Back to the Olympics.

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt. It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you. Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Do *you* consider it advertising? Thats the point of my rant. We cant stop
people from posting. We can only set standards and ask people to hold
themselves to them. Each of us is responsible only for our own actions, so I
am asking us to each consider our posts in terms of the Quilt Lesson
analogy.
Diana

"KJ" wrote in message
news:rTdWc.214825$eM2.47152@attbi_s51...
Is it considered advertising if someone is looking for a certain fabric
and
Paul from Equilter gives a link to it??
I've never thought of that as such. His posts are never
unsolicited...they
are in response to an inquiry. I haven't been here very long, so I may
have
the wrong slant on things.
Back to the Olympics.

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It
could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you.
Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they
pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over
there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets
to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police
such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments
are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

No, just helpful. I see your point.
"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
Do *you* consider it advertising? Thats the point of my rant. We cant stop
people from posting. We can only set standards and ask people to hold
themselves to them. Each of us is responsible only for our own actions, so
I
am asking us to each consider our posts in terms of the Quilt Lesson
analogy.
Diana

"KJ" wrote in message
news:rTdWc.214825$eM2.47152@attbi_s51...
Is it considered advertising if someone is looking for a certain fabric
and
Paul from Equilter gives a link to it??
I've never thought of that as such. His posts are never
unsolicited...they
are in response to an inquiry. I haven't been here very long, so I may
have
the wrong slant on things.
Back to the Olympics.

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each
pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It
could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a
total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you.
Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they
pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over
there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be
interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who
gets
to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police
such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments
are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt. It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.

Rant, ad nauseum, snipped to save space.

Some people just can't let things go can they? Since I'm the offending party,
I'll just leave. This continuous whining on the subject has become offensive
in itself and has taken up far more time and space than my simple "I do that"
post. Good bye & happy quilting.

My rant was not directed at any specific person. It was aimed at everyone
who reads or posts to this group. I'm sorry you feel you were singled out.
Why you feel that way is not something I understand.
Diana

"Debbie" wrote in message
...
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.

Rant, ad nauseum, snipped to save space.

Some people just can't let things go can they? Since I'm the offending
party,
I'll just leave. This continuous whining on the subject has become
offensive
in itself and has taken up far more time and space than my simple "I do
that"
post. Good bye & happy quilting.

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another nugget of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Howdy!
My mom would smack me even now for flouncing out of the
room. We are a non-flouncing family; we stand our ground
and listen to both sides of the issue, or all 7 sides, whatever,
and we even do some yelling to be heard.
But we do not flounce off in a huff.

Maybe Debbie will finish even more quilts now without RCTQ
to interrupt her. I hope she comes back to show them off.
I hope she comes back to enjoy the neighborhood.

Ragmop/Sandy -- liberal who also doesn't beg anyone to stay around,
having grown past that in the 3rd grade ;-D

"Debbie" wrote in message
...
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.

Rant, ad nauseum, snipped to save space.

Some people just can't let things go can they? Since I'm the offending
party,
I'll just leave. This continuous whining on the subject has become
offensive
in itself and has taken up far more time and space than my simple "I do
that"
post. Good bye & happy quilting.

I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting
related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another nugget
of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of
us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are
lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset.
It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you,
or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted
interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do
remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves
to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy
desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a
newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights
comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is offensive?
Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters? Who
is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that
advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Marking this thread OT because it isn't about quilting IMO

I pay nothing to get to this NG. I pay for internet service and this NG is
a minute part of that.

--
Mary
http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948
"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting
related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another nugget
of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of
us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are
lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset.
It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you,
or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted
interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do
remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves
to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy
desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a
newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights
comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is offensive?
Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters? Who
is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that
advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Hey Di,
In no particular order, I have the following thoughts on why I come to the
ng each day......

I come to hear about what people are working on. I love it when people post
pictures of their work. I go look as time allows, and I should probably post
more responces to let those people know I like what I see

I like to see posts where people mention their own, personal expirience with
both new and old quilting products, be it thread, needles batting, whatever
is quilt related.

I also like that we have OT posts, and I read the ones that interest me,
skip the ones I'm not interested in.

I'm grateful that I don't have to wade through piles and piles of ads for
things I can easily get locally, or by using my best friend, Google ;-).

--
Lisa
http://www.picturetrails.com/quiltygurl

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting
related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another nugget
of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of
us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are
lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset.
It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you,
or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted
interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do
remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves
to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy
desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a
newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights
comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is offensive?
Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters? Who
is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that
advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana


I guess I come here because I like to learn from others and
then share what I've learned through "hugs". I'm generally
not a joiner but this group allows me to participate in my
own way.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

WOW. Guess there are quilt police after all. Apparently you think you
speak for all of us. As for the advertising--occasionally someone steps up
and does it. You obviously have made no mistakes! The tone of this group
is taking a definite turn to turn against anyone who makes the slightest
mistake. When someone is looking for a particular fabric, etc. I guess we
shouldn't tell them where they might find it, since that would be considered
advertising for a particular shop
It's too bad you don't consider this a cyber quilting bee. This has been
talked about many times, that basically this is what it is. Guess you're
happy on your pedestal.
Gen


"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt. It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you. Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

So you're now the moderator of the group????????????
Gen


"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
so I
am asking us to each consider our posts in terms of the Quilt Lesson
analogy.
Diana

Thank you.
Gen

"maryd" wrote in message
...
Marking this thread OT because it isn't about quilting IMO

I pay nothing to get to this NG. I pay for internet service and this NG
is
a minute part of that.

--
Mary
http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948
"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your
quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting
related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another
nugget
of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of
us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are
lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we
all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store
where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset.
It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for
you,
or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or
what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted
interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do
remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves
to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy
desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a
newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights
comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If
we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw
the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is
offensive?
Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters?
Who
is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that
advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Please read the post again. I am asking people to consider what they want
this group to be. I am not telling anyone they cannot post, or what they can
or cannot post. I am encouraging everyone who reads this group to consider
what is appropriate for OUR group. So, *you* are the moderator, so is
everyone who posts. You moderate your posts, they moderate theirs. Like
grownups policing themselves. I like how that works.
Diana

"Don/Gen" wrote in message
...
So you're now the moderator of the group????????????
Gen


"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
so I
am asking us to each consider our posts in terms of the Quilt Lesson
analogy.
Diana

If you would please point out where I picked on anyone I would love to see
it, and where did I tell anyone what they could post?
Diana

"Don/Gen" wrote in message
...
WOW. Guess there are quilt police after all. Apparently you think you
speak for all of us. As for the advertising--occasionally someone steps
up
and does it. You obviously have made no mistakes! The tone of this group
is taking a definite turn to turn against anyone who makes the slightest
mistake. When someone is looking for a particular fabric, etc. I guess we
shouldn't tell them where they might find it, since that would be
considered
advertising for a particular shop
It's too bad you don't consider this a cyber quilting bee. This has
been
talked about many times, that basically this is what it is. Guess you're
happy on your pedestal.
Gen


"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It
could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you.
Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they
pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over
there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets
to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police
such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments
are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

I agree wholeheartedly about the OT concept. My pet peeve is when
people reply to an OT post and somehow remove the OT from it. Now it
is no longer an OT post. So, remember, when replying to an OT post,
don't remove the OT from the subject line.

Mardi

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:33:31 -0500, "Diana Curtis"
wrote:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt. It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you. Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they pay to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we decide as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police such a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana


Real e-mail address spelled out to prevent spam. kate at mardiweb dot com.
____________________

My Quilting page: http://www.mardiweb.com/quilts/MardiQuilts.html
Paint Shop Pro tutorials: http://www.mardiweb.com/web
Low-Fat Lifestyle Forum: http://www.mardiweb.com/lowfat

Some newsgroup reading programs strip off anything after an : on a reply.
Good reminder tho, to put it back in if your reader takes it out.
Diana

"Mardi" wrote in message
...
I agree wholeheartedly about the OT concept. My pet peeve is when
people reply to an OT post and somehow remove the OT from it. Now it
is no longer an OT post. So, remember, when replying to an OT post,
don't remove the OT from the subject line.

Mardi

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:33:31 -0500, "Diana Curtis"
wrote:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It
could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you. Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over
there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets
to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana


Real e-mail address spelled out to prevent spam. kate at mardiweb dot
com.
____________________

My Quilting page: http://www.mardiweb.com/quilts/MardiQuilts.html
Paint Shop Pro tutorials: http://www.mardiweb.com/web
Low-Fat Lifestyle Forum: http://www.mardiweb.com/lowfat

As it did in this thread.

--
Mary
http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948
"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
Some newsgroup reading programs strip off anything after an : on a reply.
Good reminder tho, to put it back in if your reader takes it out.
Diana

"Mardi" wrote in message
...
I agree wholeheartedly about the OT concept. My pet peeve is when
people reply to an OT post and somehow remove the OT from it. Now it
is no longer an OT post. So, remember, when replying to an OT post,
don't remove the OT from the subject line.

Mardi

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:33:31 -0500, "Diana Curtis"
wrote:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It
could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you.
Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they
pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over
there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets
to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police
such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments
are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana


Real e-mail address spelled out to prevent spam. kate at mardiweb dot
com.
____________________

My Quilting page: http://www.mardiweb.com/quilts/MardiQuilts.html
Paint Shop Pro tutorials: http://www.mardiweb.com/web
Low-Fat Lifestyle Forum: http://www.mardiweb.com/lowfat

Mardi wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly about the OT concept. My pet peeve is when
people reply to an OT post and somehow remove the OT from it. Now it
is no longer an OT post. So, remember, when replying to an OT post,
don't remove the OT from the subject line.

That happens automatically. The machine does it. The trick seems to be
not to use colons but to use dashes instead. In other words, label the
off topic posts as "OT-" not "OT:" (Hey, I didn't invent that system.)

--Lia

I come here for companionship, for a chance to sit and chat, or listen to all
sorts of things. I don't mind the occasional reference to "business"
especially when it is in response to a question. Many interesting topics
arise, and yes, it is best to mark them OT if they are not specifically
quilt/textile related.

Personally I think there is "much ado about" not much with the current spate
of anti advertising stuff. In my opinion, it is not advertising if someone
asks a question about something and a response is given. Especially if dollar
amounts and such are not specified. We have had several discussions in the
past on the cost of machine quilting a quilt, or how much to sell/ make a
quilt for, and so on. Nothing has been said about it being off topic.

I enjoy the people on here, I enjoy learning about them. I can also use the
"mark thread read" button, and skip messages I don't want to read. Just as I
can "tune out" conversations in a group that don't interest me.

I'm thinking that just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in this case
so is advertising.

Thanks for "listening" to my opinions.

What's everyone working on quilt wise??

Pati, in Phx working on several projects to be class samples.

Diana Curtis wrote:

I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting
related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another nugget
of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of
us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are
lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset.
It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you,
or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted
interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do
remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves
to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy
desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a
newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights
comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is offensive?
Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters? Who
is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that
advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Thank you for your opinion.
Im working on remaking a siggy quilt. It has had many incarnations, each
being a favorite. Last year I was given siggys from some members here and am
now setting them into square in a square blocks to match the originals in
*Bankie*. Its going to look lots nicer, both from the new squares and the
fact that it will get bound this time! :-)
Diana

"Pati Cook" wrote in message
...
I come here for companionship, for a chance to sit and chat, or listen to
all
sorts of things. I don't mind the occasional reference to "business"
especially when it is in response to a question. Many interesting topics
arise, and yes, it is best to mark them OT if they are not specifically
quilt/textile related.

Personally I think there is "much ado about" not much with the current
spate
of anti advertising stuff. In my opinion, it is not advertising if
someone
asks a question about something and a response is given. Especially if
dollar
amounts and such are not specified. We have had several discussions in
the
past on the cost of machine quilting a quilt, or how much to sell/ make a
quilt for, and so on. Nothing has been said about it being off topic.

I enjoy the people on here, I enjoy learning about them. I can also use
the
"mark thread read" button, and skip messages I don't want to read. Just
as I
can "tune out" conversations in a group that don't interest me.

I'm thinking that just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in this
case
so is advertising.

Thanks for "listening" to my opinions.

What's everyone working on quilt wise??

Pati, in Phx working on several projects to be class samples.

Diana Curtis wrote:

I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your
quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting
related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another
nugget
of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of
us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are
lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we
all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store
where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset.
It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for
you,
or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or
what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted
interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do
remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves
to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy
desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a
newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights
comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If
we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw
the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is
offensive?
Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters?
Who
is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that
advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Your rant did that. I'm putting you in my killfile with all the other
unpleasant people.

PLONK
If you would please point out where I picked on anyone I would love to see
it, and where did I tell anyone what they could post?
Diana

I love coming here to learn about quilting and hearing all the questions,
problems, solutions and general good humor bantor about mostly quilting and
sometimes everything else.

One of my problems is not knowing where to go to have a quilt machine
quilted. I felt it was appropriate to make a list of people who do this or
who would do this as time allows. That way, anyone else having this same
problem could fine someone off the list simply by posting a request for the
list. Of course it would be sent under personal email.

Anyway, I am not taking this rant personally. I hope it wasn't directed at
any of my posts. I look at this list as manageable as my television set. If
there is something I don't want to read I just don't follow the thread. It
is easy enough to delete or mark as read.

As every group of people, especially women, a place to talk is wonderful.
Women (and a few men) enjoy the company and the opportunity to share with
others. I am sorry if anyone was driven away by a few with unflexible
notions of what a group should do/be. That is the most unfortunate ending of
this discussion.

Just my opinion - you can have yours
Boca Jan

"Don/Gen" wrote in message
...
WOW. Guess there are quilt police after all. Apparently you think you
speak for all of us. As for the advertising--occasionally someone steps
up
and does it. You obviously have made no mistakes! The tone of this group
is taking a definite turn to turn against anyone who makes the slightest
mistake. When someone is looking for a particular fabric, etc. I guess we
shouldn't tell them where they might find it, since that would be
considered
advertising for a particular shop
It's too bad you don't consider this a cyber quilting bee. This has
been
talked about many times, that basically this is what it is. Guess you're
happy on your pedestal.
Gen


"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It
could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you.
Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they
pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over
there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets
to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police
such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments
are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

Thank you for writing this. I agree whole heartedly. It's always dismaying to
see someone appoint themselves as moderator but it's the price we pay for
having an open group where all are welcome. Quilters come in all shape and
sizes and apparently in maturity levels as well. It's amazing we all get along
as well as we do. :-)

As every group of people, especially women, a place to talk is wonderful.
Women (and a few men) enjoy the company and the opportunity to share with
others. I am sorry if anyone was driven away by a few with unflexible
notions of what a group should do/be. That is the most unfortunate ending of
this discussion.

Just my opinion - you can have yours
Boca Jan

I LOVE the idea of the list! I want the list, I hope the list is quite
useful to anyone who needs a quilt done, or who is having a business doing
that. I think you offered a great solution to the no-ads dilemma.
My rant wasnt directed at you, or anyone, or should I say, it was directed
to everyone. I hoped, not for name calling and anger but introspection. I
know some people understood that and feel badly for those who felt I was
attacking them. They cant know me well if they think I would stoop to a
personal attack.
It would be a waste of my time to think I can tell anyone what to post. I
have no power. I'm not going to spend my time reporting abusers to their
isps. It doesnt work. Just note Poopy Wiz to see how effective that is.
Thank you Jan for your understanding. Please post to the group as soon as
you have a working list compiled. I know there are many people who would be
grateful to have it.
Hugs
Diana


"Boca Jan" wrote in message
. ..
I love coming here to learn about quilting and hearing all the questions,
problems, solutions and general good humor bantor about mostly quilting
and
sometimes everything else.

One of my problems is not knowing where to go to have a quilt machine
quilted. I felt it was appropriate to make a list of people who do this or
who would do this as time allows. That way, anyone else having this same
problem could fine someone off the list simply by posting a request for
the
list. Of course it would be sent under personal email.

Anyway, I am not taking this rant personally. I hope it wasn't directed at
any of my posts. I look at this list as manageable as my television set.
If
there is something I don't want to read I just don't follow the thread. It
is easy enough to delete or mark as read.

As every group of people, especially women, a place to talk is wonderful.
Women (and a few men) enjoy the company and the opportunity to share with
others. I am sorry if anyone was driven away by a few with unflexible
notions of what a group should do/be. That is the most unfortunate ending
of
this discussion.

Just my opinion - you can have yours
Boca Jan

Wait a minute Debbie! Honestly I'm gone one day and things got to a sale in
a sewing basket! Please don't crack it and run away. I'm sure everyone is
getting het up over nothing. Please stay?

--
Sharon from Melbourne Australia
Queen of Down Under
http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/craft.html
**********************
"Debbie" wrote in message
...
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.

Rant, ad nauseum, snipped to save space.

Some people just can't let things go can they? Since I'm the offending
party,
I'll just leave. This continuous whining on the subject has become
offensive
in itself and has taken up far more time and space than my simple "I do
that"
post. Good bye & happy quilting.

Do we get pictures?? Huh? Do we?? We'd like too - after all we all come
here to drool over other peoples stuff, why else would we threaten stash
raids.

--
Sharon from Melbourne Australia (who understood the meaning behind Diana's
original post and supports her completely)
Queen of Down Under
http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/craft.html
**********************
"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
Thank you for your opinion.
Im working on remaking a siggy quilt. It has had many incarnations, each
being a favorite. Last year I was given siggys from some members here and
am
now setting them into square in a square blocks to match the originals in
*Bankie*. Its going to look lots nicer, both from the new squares and the
fact that it will get bound this time! :-)
Diana

"Pati Cook" wrote in message
...
I come here for companionship, for a chance to sit and chat, or listen
to
all
sorts of things. I don't mind the occasional reference to "business"
especially when it is in response to a question. Many interesting
topics
arise, and yes, it is best to mark them OT if they are not specifically
quilt/textile related.

Personally I think there is "much ado about" not much with the current
spate
of anti advertising stuff. In my opinion, it is not advertising if
someone
asks a question about something and a response is given. Especially if
dollar
amounts and such are not specified. We have had several discussions in
the
past on the cost of machine quilting a quilt, or how much to sell/ make
a
quilt for, and so on. Nothing has been said about it being off topic.

I enjoy the people on here, I enjoy learning about them. I can also use
the
"mark thread read" button, and skip messages I don't want to read. Just
as I
can "tune out" conversations in a group that don't interest me.

I'm thinking that just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in this
case
so is advertising.

Thanks for "listening" to my opinions.

What's everyone working on quilt wise??

Pati, in Phx working on several projects to be class samples.

Diana Curtis wrote:

I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your
quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would
be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person
sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting
related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another
nugget
of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all
of
us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee.
It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are
lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we
all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store
where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises
something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be
upset.
It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for
you,
or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or
what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption
as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted
interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do
remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused
ourselves
to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy
desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our
chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a
newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights
comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If
we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw
the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is
offensive?
Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters?
Who
is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that
advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

LOL I need a few more squares yet, then of course, Id love to share it. Its
wonderful how the old and the new squares kind of meld together, not
invisibly but wonderfully... old friends, new friends....
You may recognize one square in particular, a lovely koala snuggling a
heart. :-)
There might be a picture of its former incarnation on the yahoo pages I
have... if not Ill be sure to post that as well as its new form soon.
Diana

"Sharon Harper" wrote in message
u...
Do we get pictures?? Huh? Do we?? We'd like too - after all we all come
here to drool over other peoples stuff, why else would we threaten stash
raids.

--
Sharon from Melbourne Australia (who understood the meaning behind Diana's
original post and supports her completely)
Queen of Down Under
http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/craft.html
**********************
"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
Thank you for your opinion.
Im working on remaking a siggy quilt. It has had many incarnations, each
being a favorite. Last year I was given siggys from some members here
and
am
now setting them into square in a square blocks to match the originals
in
*Bankie*. Its going to look lots nicer, both from the new squares and
the
fact that it will get bound this time! :-)
Diana

"Pati Cook" wrote in message
...
I come here for companionship, for a chance to sit and chat, or listen
to
all
sorts of things. I don't mind the occasional reference to "business"
especially when it is in response to a question. Many interesting
topics
arise, and yes, it is best to mark them OT if they are not
specifically
quilt/textile related.

Personally I think there is "much ado about" not much with the
current
spate
of anti advertising stuff. In my opinion, it is not advertising if
someone
asks a question about something and a response is given. Especially
if
dollar
amounts and such are not specified. We have had several discussions
in
the
past on the cost of machine quilting a quilt, or how much to sell/
make
a
quilt for, and so on. Nothing has been said about it being off topic.

I enjoy the people on here, I enjoy learning about them. I can also
use
the
"mark thread read" button, and skip messages I don't want to read.
Just
as I
can "tune out" conversations in a group that don't interest me.

I'm thinking that just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, in
this
case
so is advertising.

Thanks for "listening" to my opinions.

What's everyone working on quilt wise??

Pati, in Phx working on several projects to be class samples.

Diana Curtis wrote:

I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your
quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it
would
be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person
sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting
related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't
an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another
nugget
of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a
specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then
all
of
us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting
bee.
It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are
lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it,
we
all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store
where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises
something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be
upset.
It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for
you,
or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills
or
what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an
interruption
as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted
interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do
remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused
ourselves
to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy
desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our
chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a
newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those
rights
comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts.
If
we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we
draw
the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is
offensive?
Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular
posters?
Who
is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that
advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is
for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message ...
I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

(other stuff snipped to save time)

I come here to find new ideas, products, links, techniques, cyber
friends of like quilt-minds (you know what I mean). I even read some
OT posts when I'm bored. You can pretty much figure out what is a
waste of time and skip it. I'm not comfortable upbraiding people who
might stray from the intent of the group, it's easier to just ignore
it. Hey, maybe they honestly didn't know, and in that case don't
deserve being flamed.

Just my 2cents.
Happy quilting
SueB

Don/Gen wrote:
WOW. Guess there are quilt police after all. Apparently you think you
speak for all of us. As for the advertising--occasionally someone steps up
and does it. You obviously have made no mistakes!

Oh come now. She didn't say that. At least be honest with yourself and
realize that you're reading far more into her post than she actually said.

--
the black rose
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

Julia Altshuler wrote:
Mardi wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly about the OT concept. My pet peeve is when
people reply to an OT post and somehow remove the OT from it. Now it
is no longer an OT post. So, remember, when replying to an OT post,
don't remove the OT from the subject line.


That happens automatically. The machine does it. The trick seems to be
not to use colons but to use dashes instead. In other words, label the
off topic posts as "OT-" not "OT:" (Hey, I didn't invent that system.)

Exactly. Which is why I label my off topic posts "OT -- insert subject
here." That seems to avoid getting stripped.

--
the black rose
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

Even just OT and a space works it. Just like my changed subject line.
(insert superior look down one's nose at those that don't change the subject
line) LOL.

--
Sharon from Melbourne Australia
Queen of Down Under
http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/craft.html
**********************
"the black rose" wrote in message
.. .
Julia Altshuler wrote:
Mardi wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly about the OT concept. My pet peeve is when
people reply to an OT post and somehow remove the OT from it. Now it
is no longer an OT post. So, remember, when replying to an OT post,
don't remove the OT from the subject line.


That happens automatically. The machine does it. The trick seems to be
not to use colons but to use dashes instead. In other words, label the
off topic posts as "OT-" not "OT:" (Hey, I didn't invent that system.)

Exactly. Which is why I label my off topic posts "OT -- insert subject
here." That seems to avoid getting stripped.

--
the black rose
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

Sharon Harper wrote:

Even just OT and a space works it. Just like my changed subject line.
(insert superior look down one's nose at those that don't change the subject
line) LOL.


That one's for me! I can NEVER remember to do that!

--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

I have asked here and gotten great answers to such questions as where can I
get the best price for green-band SM needles, and we had a lot of fun with
the best safety pins, also including where and how much. Please don't feel
timid about sharing any great deals you discover, some of us sorely need
them. Polly


"Sharon Harper" wrote Even just OT and a space works it. Just like my
changed subject line.
(insert superior look down one's nose at those that don't change the
subject
line) LOL.

Polly Esther wrote:
I have asked here and gotten great answers to such questions as where can I
get the best price for green-band SM needles, and we had a lot of fun with
the best safety pins, also including where and how much. Please don't feel
timid about sharing any great deals you discover, some of us sorely need
them. Polly


Especially on rotary cutter blades. I'd buy them in bulk the way I do
needles if I could save money on them.

--Lia

But I'm naturally timid and shy and retiring. {{batting fluffy eyelashes at
all and sundry}}. It's my nature....

--
Sharon from Melbourne Australia
Queen of Down Under
http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/craft.html
**********************
"Polly Esther" wrote in message
ink.net...
I have asked here and gotten great answers to such questions as where can
I
get the best price for green-band SM needles, and we had a lot of fun with
the best safety pins, also including where and how much. Please don't feel
timid about sharing any great deals you discover, some of us sorely need
them. Polly


"Sharon Harper" wrote Even just OT and a space works it. Just like my
changed subject line.
(insert superior look down one's nose at those that don't change the
subject
line) LOL.

You should have posted a spew warning on that one, Sharon. Now...get yourself over
here and wipe off my screen....then we can do a quilt shop hop and go to the Space
Needle.
--
Jalynne - Keeper of the Quilt for ME club list
Queen Gypsy (snail mail available upon request)
see what i've been up to at www.100megsfree4.com/jalynne

"Sharon Harper" wrote in message
u...
But I'm naturally timid and shy and retiring. {{batting fluffy eyelashes at
all and sundry}}. It's my nature....

--
Sharon from Melbourne Australia
Queen of Down Under
http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/craft.html
**********************
"Polly Esther" wrote in message
ink.net...
I have asked here and gotten great answers to such questions as where can
I
get the best price for green-band SM needles, and we had a lot of fun with
the best safety pins, also including where and how much. Please don't feel
timid about sharing any great deals you discover, some of us sorely need
them. Polly


"Sharon Harper" wrote Even just OT and a space works it. Just like my
changed subject line.
(insert superior look down one's nose at those that don't change the
subject
line) LOL.

Jalynne is right, Sharon, that was pretty awful. And yes! Lia, I would love
to know where and best price for rotary blades. Some klutz here surely does
use them up quickly. I don't know who but have noticed that my rulers don't
exactly have square corners anymore. A screw loose at the controls strikes
again, and again. Polly

"Jalynne" wrote You should have posted a spew warning on that one,
Sharon. wrote But I'm naturally timid and shy and retiring. {{batting
fluffy eyelashes at
all and sundry}}. It's my nature....