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A teacher I work with, who is otherwise an exceptional teacher, never
uses the word 'an.' Instead he talks about, "a apple, a A on a exam." Drives me nuts. Linda PATCHogue, NY |
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akkk! I am busy teaching my kids about *an* which is more complicated as
most of the English they know I taught them in the first place and they speak Dutch at school. one would expect people to do better especially teachers however all the things I have read in this thread have made me cringe. I did once correct my English teacher when he said something wrong and then said: "that's right isn't it jessamy" I told the truth and said no and ended up with an angry teacher so I walked out of the class and headed to the principals office , complained and refused to take anymore English lessons telling him that my English was miles better than the teachers despite me being dyslexic. 6 weeks of no English later the teacher came and apologised to me in public :-D and he never asked me if he was right again HAHAHA -- Jessamy Queen of Chocolate Squishies (and Occasional Liquorice Ones) In The Netherlands Take out: _I love the colour_ to reply. www.geocities.com/jessamy_thompson http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jes...pson/my_photos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A teacher I work with, who is otherwise an exceptional teacher, never uses the word 'an.' Instead he talks about, "a apple, a A on a exam." Drives me nuts. Linda PATCHogue, NY |
OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky
Howdy!
I grew up down on the border w/ Mexico. The Hispanic migrant workers' children (or migrant working students) usually didn't show up to school until late in October; missing the first 2 months of school makes for too much work to catch up. The hardest subject to catch up on was (usually) "language arts." It just goes too fast. And we take it for granted when we grow up in English-speaking homes that the subject will be taught at our level. I still admire those non-English speakers who do put up w/ all the weirdness involved in learning "English." Which makes it all the more irritating to hear those who have had all the advantages of a "U.S. English" education speaking it so poorly. Some of the ignorance is a choice. I ain't no expert, either. ;-) If "it goes without saying", why say it anyway? ;-P Ragmop/Sandy--ready to Finish another quilt but the beauty of the outdoors is calling, calling me... On 2/22/07 10:04 PM, in article , "Ginger in CA" wrote: I volunteer teach adult literacy, and for the most part my student is a person whose native language is not English. I teach one-on-one so we are able to really get into the meaty discussions about grammar and how English is such a strange language. I usually end up teaching not only the reading but also the speaking aspect of English. Until I listened to the blunders and laughed along with my students, I couldn't appreciate how much effort they go to, to learn the language! Ginger in CA On Feb 22, 6:51 pm, Sandy Ellison wrote: Howdy! "I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong. The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!" or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P |
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Howdy!
BobDole syndrome: Mr.Dole is a U.S. politician with a habit of speaking of himself in the 3rd person. Reporter: "Mr.Dole, do you have a plan for dealing with the lack of health care for children?" Mr.Dole: "Bob Dole has a plan. Bob Dole wants to count those children and find out how many don't have insurance. That's what Bob Dole will do." g Might me a hangover from Mr.Nixon who used a similar technique: "You won't have Richard Nixon to kick around any more." Megan: "just for the sin of owning something" -- thank you! ;-D Ragmop/Sandy http://www.museum.state.il.us/muslink/art/htmls/ks.html On 2/23/07 4:16 AM, in article , "Sally Swindells" wrote: Sandy Ellison wrote: Howdy! "I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong. The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!" or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P Or 'myself' instead of 'me'. Perhaps people are so full of their own importance that they choose a more important sounding name! -- Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk) http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin |
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In article ,
"Jessamy" wrote: akkk! I am busy teaching my kids about *an* which is more complicated as most of the English they know I taught them in the first place and they speak Dutch at school. one would expect people to do better especially teachers however all the things I have read in this thread have made me cringe. I did once correct my English teacher when he said something wrong and then said: "that's right isn't it jessamy" I told the truth and said no and ended up with an angry teacher so I walked out of the class and headed to the principals office , complained and refused to take anymore English lessons telling him that my English was miles better than the teachers despite me being dyslexic. 6 weeks of no English later the teacher came and apologised to me in public :-D and he never asked me if he was right again HAHAHA Good for you, Jessamy! My elder DD once had a middle school English teacher (by no stretch of the imagination was he either an English teacher or any kind of teacher) who gave a test and graded it incorrectly. When DD brought it home, I just about had apoplexy (isn't that a wonderful word? G) and corrected his corrections, explaining in writing why his corrections were wrong. DD took the test back to school, as required, and the teacher was so "threatened" that he never again sent any papers home. Needless to say, I complained to the administration. This was a teacher who had been bounced around from one school to another because of his incompetence, but no one could fire him. :( The children paid the penalty, sadly. -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious) http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 |
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In article ,
Megan Zurawicz wrote: My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent how many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and studiously enunciate it....... --pig I'm with you on that one, Piglet! Aaaarrrrgghhh! -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious) http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 |
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In article ,
"CATS" wrote: " I am eruditerer than you" rofl But then the UK and Commonwealth countries would have a laugh over anomalies like Lieutenant US = loo-ten-ant UK = lef-ten-ant -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau And it's really a French word.... ;) -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious) http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 |
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In article .com,
"Ginger in CA" wrote: I volunteer teach adult literacy, and for the most part my student is a person whose native language is not English. I teach one-on-one so we are able to really get into the meaty discussions about grammar and how English is such a strange language. I usually end up teaching not only the reading but also the speaking aspect of English. Until I listened to the blunders and laughed along with my students, I couldn't appreciate how much effort they go to, to learn the language! Ginger in CA Ginger, I ended up teaching a lot of English when I was teaching French -- purely accidentally. g It was always odd to me to hear one of my Spanish-speaking students ask why something was said in a certain way in French, when it didn't translate that way into English. My stock response was to ask them how to say a similar thing in Spanish, which was almost always a direct parallel to the French. Then I'd say it was *English* that was so strange. LOL! -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious) http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 |
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"Sandy" wrote in message ... Good for you, Jessamy! My elder DD once had a middle school English teacher (by no stretch of the imagination was he either an English teacher or any kind of teacher) who gave a test and graded it incorrectly. Boy, does that bring back memories! :) My middle school English teacher (who also wasn't a teacher of any kind) used to make us do book reports. No problem there. We had to start out saying what kind of book it was -- novel, history, etc. One of the books I read was called "Words of the Myths", which is a book about words that derive from Greek and Roman myths. I asked my mom what kind of book it was and she suggested "philology". I looked the word up and agreed. I hand in my paper, and it's returned with philology marked as misspelled. I marched over to the teacher and complained that I knew the word was *not* misspelled, as I had copied the spelling directly from the dictionary when I looked it up. The teacher shrugged and said "Oh, I didn't know what it meant so I marked it misspelled." What an inspiration she was to the young people of Sacramento. The one good thing to come from the incident is that I will never forget the meaning or spelling of philology. *evil grin* -- Kathy A. (Woodland, CA) Queen of Fabric Tramps http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/ remove the obvious to reply |
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"Sandy" wrote in message ... In article , Megan Zurawicz wrote: My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent how many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and studiously enunciate it....... --pig I'm with you on that one, Piglet! Aaaarrrrgghhh! While I'm not guilty of that particular crime, I did often (used intentionally) mispronounce words as a child. Why? Because I had learned them from reading. I'd look up the meaning, but the pronunciation guides in dictionaries mystified me, so I didn't always have the correct pronunciation stuck in my head. I was also guilty of learning a lot of words just by context, without looking them up. A local hospital had a sign that read "Permission to pass over revocable at any time." For years I wondered exactly what type of cable a revo-cable was, and why the hospital felt the need to post a sign saying it was okay to pass over it. -- Kathy A. (Woodland, CA) Queen of Fabric Tramps http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/ remove the obvious to reply |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:35:01 -0600, Kathy Applebaum wrote
(in article ): While I'm not guilty of that particular crime, I did often (used intentionally) mispronounce words as a child. Why? Because I had learned them from reading. I'd look up the meaning, but the pronunciation guides in dictionaries mystified me, so I didn't always have the correct pronunciation stuck in my head. I was also guilty of learning a lot of words just by context, without looking them up. A local hospital had a sign that read "Permission to pass over revocable at any time." For years I wondered exactly what type of cable a revo-cable was, and why the hospital felt the need to post a sign saying it was okay to pass over it. I guess all kids have something like that. I never could figure out how a hickory stick could play a tune. And David didn't understand why "never" was a seldom heard word. Maureen |
OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:29:17 -0600, Kathy Applebaum wrote
(in article ): "Sandy" wrote in message ... Good for you, Jessamy! My elder DD once had a middle school English teacher (by no stretch of the imagination was he either an English teacher or any kind of teacher) who gave a test and graded it incorrectly. Boy, does that bring back memories! :) My middle school English teacher (who also wasn't a teacher of any kind) used to make us do book reports. No problem there. We had to start out saying what kind of book it was -- novel, history, etc. One of the books I read was called "Words of the Myths", which is a book about words that derive from Greek and Roman myths. I asked my mom what kind of book it was and she suggested "philology". I looked the word up and agreed. I hand in my paper, and it's returned with philology marked as misspelled. I marched over to the teacher and complained that I knew the word was *not* misspelled, as I had copied the spelling directly from the dictionary when I looked it up. The teacher shrugged and said "Oh, I didn't know what it meant so I marked it misspelled." What an inspiration she was to the young people of Sacramento. The one good thing to come from the incident is that I will never forget the meaning or spelling of philology. *evil grin* I hate teachers like that. I had a high school English teacher for 2 years that graded me down because I knew more than she did. It was a big fight to get me into the honors English track because this teacher kept refusing to sign the papers for me. Maureen |
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They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a
"calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere today. I loved teaching (adult training courses) but I would not work in the current school systems and I fear many who would make inspirational school teachers - the kind we really need - feel the same. It is sad to meet a child with a real hunger to learn and to realise that they are being stifled in their school (or home) environment. I know a couple who live near me, and when you take the time to talk to them and to push them to think and consider you can see the light in their eyes as they realise what they are capable of. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau ((snip)) : : I hate teachers like that. I had a high school English teacher for 2 years : that graded me down because I knew more than she did. It was a big fight to : get me into the honors English track because this teacher kept refusing to : sign the papers for me. : : Maureen : |
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On Feb 19, 12:08 pm, "John" wrote:
Well, I just finished my latest quilt. A 66"x 66" lap quilt for my wife; (the self professed quilting widow). I think it is my best effort to date. Hope you like it. http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y74...ng/?action=vie... John Thanks John I only just logged on to Google to try to catch up on the posts I have missed recently and I even missed you reply. Love the LC quilt. |
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On Feb 23, 9:18 pm, "CATS" wrote:
They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a "calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere today. I loved teaching (adult training courses) but I would not work in the current school systems and I fear many who would make inspirational school teachers - the kind we really need - feel the same. It is sad to meet a child with a real hunger to learn and to realise that they are being stifled in their school (or home) environment. I know a couple who live near me, and when you take the time to talk to them and to push them to think and consider you can see the light in their eyes as they realise what they are capable of. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donuthttp://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau ((snip)) : : I hate teachers like that. I had a high school English teacher for 2 years : that graded me down because I knew more than she did. It was a big fight to : get me into the honors English track because this teacher kept refusing to : sign the papers for me. : : Maureen : My sister got into teaching, for a few years, and was constantly frustrated by the other teachers attitude to only working to the minimum required. She was also one of those people who tried doing things "differently" than the other teachers would. She was so successful, she received one of those $25,000 special Mentor Award grants, that California hands out to outstanding teachers in their field. The other teachers were so jealous, they shunned her in all the interchanges they would have, such as the teachers break room. She finally got fed up with it and bailed out, with much bad feeling on her part and sense of loss from the administration and her students. It is very lonely when you challenge the group, and only works if you are strong enough to be self fulfilled. John |
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How sad for her. I hope she found a challenge for her
obvious talents elsewhere and that she is now appreciated by her dedication and enthusiasm. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "John" wrote in message oups.com... : On Feb 23, 9:18 pm, "CATS" wrote: : They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a : "calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere : today. I loved teaching (adult training courses) but I : would not work in the current school systems and I fear many : who would make inspirational school teachers - the kind we : really need - feel the same. : : It is sad to meet a child with a real hunger to learn and to : realise that they are being stifled in their school (or : home) environment. I know a couple who live near me, and : when you take the time to talk to them and to push them to : think and consider you can see the light in their eyes as : they realise what they are capable of. : : -- : : Cheryl & the Cats in OZ : o o o o : ( Y ) ( Y ) : Boofhead Donuthttp://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest : catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau : : ((snip)) : : : : I hate teachers like that. I had a high school English : teacher for 2 years : : that graded me down because I knew more than she did. It : was a big fight to : : get me into the honors English track because this teacher : kept refusing to : : sign the papers for me. : : : : Maureen : : : : My sister got into teaching, for a few years, and was constantly : frustrated by the other teachers attitude to only working to the : minimum required. She was also one of those people who tried doing : things "differently" than the other teachers would. She was so : successful, she received one of those $25,000 special Mentor Award : grants, that California hands out to outstanding teachers in their : field. The other teachers were so jealous, they shunned her in all the : interchanges they would have, such as the teachers break room. She : finally got fed up with it and bailed out, with much bad feeling on : her part and sense of loss from the administration and her students. : It is very lonely when you challenge the group, and only works if you : are strong enough to be self fulfilled. : : John : : |
OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
Florida is not known for it's excellence in its schools. It does better in
the weather/beach department though. (please exclude hurricanes) -- Boca Jan Florida - Land of the Hurricanes http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/poo_de_doo/myphotos "Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message ... My pet horror story in this vein happened to the son of an old HS girlfriend. As she's quite literate and had proofed his paper, she was somewhat baffled to see how many points had been taken off for spelling, and looked further. His teacher had marked "air conditioning" as spelled incorrectly. She went to the teacher and asked her precisely what was wrong with the spelling, and the teacher insisted that EVERYONE knows the correct spelling is "air condishunning". Physically presenting the teacher with the dictionary entry simply got a response of "well, I admit it's hard to understand how it could happen, but obviously the dictionary's got it wrong as well." Appeals to the principal got "We cannot override the grading of any teacher for any reason." If that's not insanity, I don't know what is. (The school system in question was in Florida, the grade level was circa age 10.) --pig --pig On 2/22/07 16:38, in article , "CATS" wrote: One girl I tutored had her work corrected when she was right and the teacher was wrong! |
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That is also a pet hate of mine. Also the pronounciatioin of ask being
pronounced as axed. ACK! -- Boca Jan Florida - Land of the Hurricanes http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/poo_de_doo/myphotos "Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message ... My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent how many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and studiously enunciate it....... --pig On 2/23/07 03:59, in article , "Sally Swindells" wrote: My pet hate is difficult to describe, but is what I call 'false gentrification' of the language. |
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that would make for an interesting conversation with the police: oh yes! I
axed him too! (meant as: I asked him as well) -- Jessamy Queen of Chocolate Squishies (and Occasional Liquorice Ones) In The Netherlands Take out: _I love the colour_ to reply. www.geocities.com/jessamy_thompson http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jes...pson/my_photos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That is also a pet hate of mine. Also the pronounciatioin of ask being pronounced as axed. ACK! -- Boca Jan Florida - Land of the Hurricanes http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/poo_de_doo/myphotos |
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Aaaah, this Thompson child always writes like this. For him a troll is
probably from Billy Goats Gruff. Or maybe he's actually trying to read Tolkien in his junior high classes. -- Kay Ahr in NV to respond to me directly, remove "WESTHI" from the email address "CATS" wrote in message ... "Edward W. Thompson" wrote ((snip)) : : With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is bizarre. : What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find difficult to : comprehend? Please feel free NOT to add snide or whiney comments to your responses to clearly marked OT messages. If you don't like seeing OT comments in a "quilting orum" - and you have constantly made it clear that you don't - then don't read them. And if you don't agree with the comments of others either don't reply to them, or at least try to remain civil (see definition below). From M-W Dictionary - synonyms CIVIL, POLITE, COURTEOUS, GALLANT, CHIVALROUS mean observant of the forms required by good breeding. CIVIL often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness owed the questioner a civil reply. POLITE commonly implies polish of speech and manners and sometimes suggests an absence of cordiality if you can't be pleasant, at least be polite. COURTEOUS implies more actively considerate or dignified politeness clerks who were unfailingly courteous to customers. GALLANT and CHIVALROUS imply courteous attentiveness especially to women. GALLANT suggests spirited and dashing behavior and ornate expressions of courtesy a gallant suitor of the old school. CHIVALROUS suggests high-minded and self-sacrificing behavior a chivalrous display of duty. If you are merely amusing yourself by testing how many people you can annoy enough for them to snap back - congratulations! You have caught me on a bad day. I have snapped back (more from exasperation than anger), and you have goaded me into being as rude to you as you are to this group. Are you happy? Message blocking applied in THIS reader too - I should have remembered when I updated (sigh)! -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau |
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On Feb 24, 9:31 am, "CATS" wrote:
How sad for her. I hope she found a challenge for her obvious talents elsewhere and that she is now appreciated by her dedication and enthusiasm. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donuthttp://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "John" wrote in message oups.com... : On Feb 23, 9:18 pm, "CATS" wrote: : They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a : "calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere : today. I loved teaching (adult training courses) but I : would not work in the current school systems and I fear many : who would make inspirational school teachers - the kind we : really need - feel the same. : : It is sad to meet a child with a real hunger to learn and to : realise that they are being stifled in their school (or : home) environment. I know a couple who live near me, and : when you take the time to talk to them and to push them to : think and consider you can see the light in their eyes as : they realise what they are capable of. : : -- : : Cheryl & the Cats in OZ : o o o o : ( Y ) ( Y ) : Boofhead Donuthttp://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest : catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau : : ((snip)) : : : : I hate teachers like that. I had a high school English : teacher for 2 years : : that graded me down because I knew more than she did. It : was a big fight to : : get me into the honors English track because this teacher : kept refusing to : : sign the papers for me. : : : : Maureen : : : : My sister got into teaching, for a few years, and was constantly : frustrated by the other teachers attitude to only working to the : minimum required. She was also one of those people who tried doing : things "differently" than the other teachers would. She was so : successful, she received one of those $25,000 special Mentor Award : grants, that California hands out to outstanding teachers in their : field. The other teachers were so jealous, they shunned her in all the : interchanges they would have, such as the teachers break room. She : finally got fed up with it and bailed out, with much bad feeling on : her part and sense of loss from the administration and her students. : It is very lonely when you challenge the group, and only works if you : are strong enough to be self fulfilled. : : John : : She went back to school and got her PHD in child psych but has never practiced, full time. Did do some work on a contract basis for the county juvenile service. Is now married to her long time Beau and they are doing nicely. John |
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"I need to axe my momma and daddy."
"Are you sure? It didn't work out really well for Lizzie Borden." Of course, it's not these folks' faults; it's years of being corrupted by grisly Christmas carols, of course.... "...to sing a slaying song tonight...." That's the party down the hall from the one where they're all donning now their gay apparel. :) --pig On 2/24/07 10:51, in article , "Jessamy" wrote: that would make for an interesting conversation with the police: oh yes! I axed him too! |
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"Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message ... "I need to axe my momma and daddy." "Are you sure? It didn't work out really well for Lizzie Borden." In the words of the Kingston Trio: Oh, you can't chop your papa up in Massachusetts, Massachusetts is a far cry from New York! For some reason it really bothered my parents that I knew all the words to that song. *grin* -- Kathy A. (Woodland, CA) Queen of Fabric Tramps http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/ remove the obvious to reply |
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My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been
silent how many centuries? Not in Scots it hasn't. I doubt the pronunciation has changed at all since the Middle Ages. Probably the Americans who pronounce it that way got it from Scots immigrants. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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My middle school English teacher (who also wasn't a teacher of any kind)
used to make us do book reports. No problem there. We had to start out saying what kind of book it was -- novel, history, etc. One of the books I read was called "Words of the Myths", which is a book about words that derive from Greek and Roman myths. I asked my mom what kind of book it was and she suggested "philology". I looked the word up and agreed. I hand in my paper, and it's returned with philology marked as misspelled. I marched over to the teacher and complained that I knew the word was *not* misspelled, as I had copied the spelling directly from the dictionary when I looked it up. The teacher shrugged and said "Oh, I didn't know what it meant so I marked it misspelled." When I was about 10 I had a rather naive, not very bright, and very Christian teacher called Miss Jones (probably the first person I met who had a Welsh accent to match the name). For whatever reason, she brought in a record of Tom Lehrer songs. And played the whole thing. Including "The Masochism Tango". - Miss Jones, what's "masochism"? - I'm not sure, let's look it up in the dictionary, shall we?... [flip flip flip] "A sexual perversion characterized by..." ooh, I didn't think it was *that* strong! The one good thing to come from the incident is that I will never forget the meaning or spelling of philology. *evil grin* The one I remember was "phthisis" A bit after the above episode we had a sort of competitive test to see how good our pronunuciation was. We had to read out a list of words of ever-increasing difficulty and obscurity. I was way ahead of the rest of the class, and made it all through the list until that one, which was the very last item. The frustrating thing was that I knew *how* to pronounce it, and what the word meant; I just couldn't physically do it, thanks to having a cleft palate and at that point no denture to articulate that consonant cluster on. (I've since acquired a fascination for languages like Georgian that have gigantic pile-ups of consonants - I can roll off placenames like "Mtskheta" with no problem at all). ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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Kathy Applebaum wrote:
In the words of the Kingston Trio: Oh, you can't chop your papa up in Massachusetts, Massachusetts is a far cry from New York! For some reason it really bothered my parents that I knew all the words to that song. *grin* Geez Loueez -- which song is that? I should know it -- my DBro and I used to sing & play guitar in coffee houses way back in the mid-60's and we did a whole bunch of Kingston Trio songs. I should KNOW that song but it's just not coming to me. Tell me quick and put me out of my misery!! All together, hum in tune -- and a one and a two and a .....Shady Grove, my little love, Shady Grove I know................... CiaoMeow ^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary |
OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
So put me out of my misery
How do you pronounce "phthisis"? -- Cheryl (who has a complete collection of TL songs on CD!) & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote in message (snip) : The one I remember was "phthisis" A bit after the above episode we : had a sort of competitive test to see how good our pronunuciation was. : We had to read out a list of words of ever-increasing difficulty and : obscurity. I was way ahead of the rest of the class, and made it all : through the list until that one, which was the very last item. The : frustrating thing was that I knew *how* to pronounce it, and what the : word meant; I just couldn't physically do it, thanks to having a cleft : palate and at that point no denture to articulate that consonant : cluster on. (I've since acquired a fascination for languages like : Georgian that have gigantic pile-ups of consonants - I can roll off : placenames like "Mtskheta" with no problem at all). : |
OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
In our house, it is "don we now our day of peril". Of course, DD#1
doesn't know why we need to don the day, but she insists those are the words. Especially since she saw that Futurama episode. Wendy Megan Zurawicz wrote: "I need to axe my momma and daddy." "Are you sure? It didn't work out really well for Lizzie Borden." Of course, it's not these folks' faults; it's years of being corrupted by grisly Christmas carols, of course.... "...to sing a slaying song tonight...." That's the party down the hall from the one where they're all donning now their gay apparel. :) --pig On 2/24/07 10:51, in article , "Jessamy" wrote: that would make for an interesting conversation with the police: oh yes! I axed him too! |
OT:Bad English teachers
"CATS" wrote
They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a "calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere today. I agree that there are a number of bad teachers out there, but as a current member of one of the most undervalued professions, I would like to point out that I believe they are still in the minority. I am a high school English teacher (20+ years) and I take great pleasure in challenging my students to improve and then seeing them actually achieve that improvement. I also have no problem in admitting that I too am human and prone to mistakes or lack of knowledge. I am as able to check something in a dictionary as anyone else. If I make a mistake in a handout or on the board, I congratulate those who pick it up, admiring their proofreading skills. Anyone who is so insecure that they can't take correction, especially from a child or teenager, should never enter a classroom, in my opinion! I know, the whole teaching profession was not being bagged in this thread. It's just that there is a lot of that going on in my home state at the moment, mostly thanks to the stupid government itself. The story goes something like this - Let's force teachers to implement a new type of curriculum, whether they like it or not, then dump it just as they've put years of preparation into it. Also, let's make that change the week before the new school year starts and expect them to still provide a good education to their senior students. I'm waiting for the part nearer the end of the year when we then blame all the teachers for not getting top results from their students. Add to that the ridiculous notion of students having a say in teacher pay/bonus pay and you see the education climate here at the moment. (Hmm, I don't like my teacher. If I don't perform so well, or say she's done a bad job and I could have done better with another teacher, she gets less pay. Great system!) The mind boggles. Okay, I'm off to mark some student work now, if I can figure out which of the three possible systems it is that they want me to use today (yes, I'm serious about that...) -- Leigh Harris Perth, Western Australia |
OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
With a hanky in front of your mouth.
Roberta in D "CATS" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... So put me out of my misery How do you pronounce "phthisis"? -- Cheryl (who has a complete collection of TL songs on CD!) & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote in message (snip) : The one I remember was "phthisis" A bit after the above episode we : had a sort of competitive test to see how good our pronunuciation was. : We had to read out a list of words of ever-increasing difficulty and : obscurity. I was way ahead of the rest of the class, and made it all : through the list until that one, which was the very last item. The : frustrating thing was that I knew *how* to pronounce it, and what the : word meant; I just couldn't physically do it, thanks to having a cleft : palate and at that point no denture to articulate that consonant : cluster on. (I've since acquired a fascination for languages like : Georgian that have gigantic pile-ups of consonants - I can roll off : placenames like "Mtskheta" with no problem at all). : |
OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
that needed a spew warning.. now my computer screen is covered in coffee!
-- Jessamy Queen of Chocolate Squishies (and Occasional Liquorice Ones) In The Netherlands Take out: _I love the colour_ to reply. www.geocities.com/jessamy_thompson http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jes...pson/my_photos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I was about 10 I had a rather naive, not very bright, and very Christian teacher called Miss Jones (probably the first person I met who had a Welsh accent to match the name). For whatever reason, she brought in a record of Tom Lehrer songs. And played the whole thing. Including "The Masochism Tango". - Miss Jones, what's "masochism"? - I'm not sure, let's look it up in the dictionary, shall we?... [flip flip flip] "A sexual perversion characterized by..." ooh, I didn't think it was *that* strong! The one good thing to come from the incident is that I will never forget the meaning or spelling of philology. *evil grin* The one I remember was "phthisis" A bit after the above episode we had a sort of competitive test to see how good our pronunuciation was. We had to read out a list of words of ever-increasing difficulty and obscurity. I was way ahead of the rest of the class, and made it all through the list until that one, which was the very last item. The frustrating thing was that I knew *how* to pronounce it, and what the word meant; I just couldn't physically do it, thanks to having a cleft palate and at that point no denture to articulate that consonant cluster on. (I've since acquired a fascination for languages like Georgian that have gigantic pile-ups of consonants - I can roll off placenames like "Mtskheta" with no problem at all). ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
OT:Bad English teachers
On behalf of your students - most of whom probably do not
realise just how fortunate they are to have you right now - thankyou for sticking it out. One day they will look back and remember your classes. I fondly remember one or two of my teachers at each of various stages of my schooling. They helped light a fire in me that keeps me learning even now. In the eyes of many - myself included - teaching should be seen as one of the most honoured of professions. I certainly did not mean to imply that there are no dedicated teachers anymore. But faced with the interference of political correctness idiots, civil libertarians, political point scorers and parents who take no responsibility for the raising/teaching of their own children, I honestly don't know how many of you continue to cope. BTW - from observation our ed system is no better over here. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Leigh Harris" wrote in message ... : "CATS" wrote : They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a : "calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere : today. : : I agree that there are a number of bad teachers out there, but as a current : member of one of the most undervalued professions, I would like to point out : that I believe they are still in the minority. I am a high school English : teacher (20+ years) and I take great pleasure in challenging my students to : improve and then seeing them actually achieve that improvement. I also have : no problem in admitting that I too am human and prone to mistakes or lack of : knowledge. I am as able to check something in a dictionary as anyone else. : If I make a mistake in a handout or on the board, I congratulate those who : pick it up, admiring their proofreading skills. Anyone who is so insecure : that they can't take correction, especially from a child or teenager, should : never enter a classroom, in my opinion! : : I know, the whole teaching profession was not being bagged in this thread. : It's just that there is a lot of that going on in my home state at the : moment, mostly thanks to the stupid government itself. The story goes : something like this - Let's force teachers to implement a new type of : curriculum, whether they like it or not, then dump it just as they've put : years of preparation into it. Also, let's make that change the week before : the new school year starts and expect them to still provide a good education : to their senior students. I'm waiting for the part nearer the end of the : year when we then blame all the teachers for not getting top results from : their students. Add to that the ridiculous notion of students having a say : in teacher pay/bonus pay and you see the education climate here at the : moment. (Hmm, I don't like my teacher. If I don't perform so well, or say : she's done a bad job and I could have done better with another teacher, she : gets less pay. Great system!) The mind boggles. : : Okay, I'm off to mark some student work now, if I can figure out which of : the three possible systems it is that they want me to use today (yes, I'm : serious about that...) : : -- : Leigh Harris : Perth, Western Australia : : |
OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
When I taught HS, I had a poster of a kid standing over a dead woman
with an axe dripping in blood. It said, "I have to axe my mother." Too graphic for the grades I teach now. Linda PATCHogue, NY On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:26:20 -0500, "Boca Jan" wrote: Also the pronounciatioin of ask being pronounced as axed |
OT: Axing mom and dad (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
Why, it's "The Ballad of Lizzie Borden", of course.
And looking it up, I see that I was *completely* wrong about the group. Aargh! It was the Chad Mitchell Trio, not the Kingston Trio. (In my defense, I did have several records from both trios as a kid.) Sorry for making you think you should know the song! Here's the lyrics for those who are interested. http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/lizziebo.htm -- Kathy A. (Woodland, CA) Queen of Fabric Tramps http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/ remove the obvious to reply "Tia Mary" wrote in message ... Kathy Applebaum wrote: In the words of the Kingston Trio: Oh, you can't chop your papa up in Massachusetts, Massachusetts is a far cry from New York! For some reason it really bothered my parents that I knew all the words to that song. *grin* Geez Loueez -- which song is that? I should know it -- my DBro and I used to sing & play guitar in coffee houses way back in the mid-60's and we did a whole bunch of Kingston Trio songs. I should KNOW that song but it's just not coming to me. Tell me quick and put me out of my misery!! All together, hum in tune -- and a one and a two and a ....Shady Grove, my little love, Shady Grove I know................... CiaoMeow ^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary |
OT: apostrophe
Megan Zurawicz wrote:
I'm assuming the child in question is named Myles, yes? When a name ends in an s, it's now acceptable to do the classic "apostrophe s" for possession (Myles's) but more traditionally formally correct not to double the s---simply don't add the last one (Myles'). Looks odd enough to some folks---they know "Myles's" looks wrong, but they also "know" with a vengeance that it's got to end in 's somehow---that they're willing to drop the s that's part of Myles to get the 's added. Myles never becomes Myle, nor Charles Charle, just for the sin of owning something. :) --pig Does one not say 'Myles's bed' over your way the way I would (and do!) say 'James's bed' here in England? Nowt wrong wi' that, lass. ;) I like your last sentence: that's one I'll tuck away for future lessons... Puts the point across beautifully. -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
This is NOT addressed to Kathy A. It is a general
posting. Ta! Yes, incorrect pronunciation is a tad annoying. I would like to point out that sometimes it is due to hearing impairment. IOW, let's not be too quick to judge! I often mispronounce words and get odd looks, but that is because I cannot always HEAR the word as others do. So, if you happen to be presenting a class or workshop and the moderator mispronounces a word in her introduction, kindly do not shout out the correct pronunciation. She may be hearing impaired, and/or she may be unfamiliar with the word. You can just use the proper form in your presentation. This would save the moderator public embarrassment and hurt feelings. Thank you. PAT Kathy Applebaum wrote: .. While I'm not guilty of that particular crime, I did often (used intentionally) mispronounce words as a child. Why? Because I had learned them from reading. I'd look up the meaning, but the pronunciation guides in dictionaries mystified me, so I didn't always have the correct pronunciation stuck in my head. I was also guilty of learning a lot of words just by context, without looking them up. A local hospital had a sign that read "Permission to pass over revocable at any time." For years I wondered exactly what type of cable a revo-cable was, and why the hospital felt the need to post a sign saying it was okay to pass over it. |
Off Topic OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky
Sandy: There is a quilter of some prominence who does
that too. She does it often in a lecture. It makes me grind my teeth! Well, she refers to herself in the third person using her own name. She does not call herself Bob Dole, thank goodness. PAT in Virginia Sandy Ellison wrote: Howdy! BobDole syndrome: Mr.Dole is a U.S. politician with a habit of speaking of himself in the 3rd person. Reporter: "Mr.Dole, do you have a plan for dealing with the lack of health care for children?" Mr.Dole: "Bob Dole has a plan. Bob Dole wants to count those children and find out how many don't have insurance. That's what Bob Dole will do." g Might me a hangover from Mr.Nixon who used a similar technique: "You won't have Richard Nixon to kick around any more." |
OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
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Pat in Virginia wrote: This is NOT addressed to Kathy A. It is a general posting. Ta! Yes, incorrect pronunciation is a tad annoying. I would like to point out that sometimes it is due to hearing impairment. IOW, let's not be too quick to judge! I often mispronounce words and get odd looks, but that is because I cannot always HEAR the word as others do. So, if you happen to be presenting a class or workshop and the moderator mispronounces a word in her introduction, kindly do not shout out the correct pronunciation. She may be hearing impaired, and/or she may be unfamiliar with the word. You can just use the proper form in your presentation. This would save the moderator public embarrassment and hurt feelings. Thank you. PAT You make an excellent point, Pat. But, my goodness, I can't imagine publicly correcting someone in mid-presentation! How very rude. I'm sure it's happened, but why can't people imagine how embarrassed and hurt they would feel if someone did something of the sort to them? There's this little thing called the Golden Rule.... -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious) http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 |
OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
So put me out of my misery
How do you pronounce "phthisis"? Phonetically! The only thing not obvious in the spelling is that the first "i" is a long "ee" sound. So it's just "thesis" with an "f" sound in front. English spelling is a lot more regular than most folks think. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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Hhmmmm! I hadn't encountered the spoken word before so I
would have assumed that either "ph" or "th" were silent. Thanks for my learning exercise of the day lol Maybe you could help me out with a word I haven't found (mind you, probably not looking all that hard either!). I was wearing a tee shirt with "ailurophile" on the front (cat lover) and someone asked me what the correct term was for a dog lover. I couldn't remember. Don't suppose you would happen to know, would you? TIA -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote in message ... : So put me out of my misery : How do you pronounce ""? : : Phonetically! : : The only thing not obvious in the spelling is that the first : "i" is a long "ee" sound. So it's just "thesis" with an "f" : sound in front. : : English spelling is a lot more regular than most folks think. : : ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co .. uk ============== : Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 : http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 : stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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