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witchystitcher February 23rd 07 02:36 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
A teacher I work with, who is otherwise an exceptional teacher, never
uses the word 'an.' Instead he talks about, "a apple, a A on a exam."
Drives me nuts.

Linda
PATCHogue, NY

Jessamy February 23rd 07 04:39 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
akkk! I am busy teaching my kids about *an* which is more complicated as
most of the English they know I taught them in the first place and they
speak Dutch at school. one would expect people to do better especially
teachers however all the things I have read in this thread have made me
cringe. I did once correct my English teacher when he said something wrong
and then said: "that's right isn't it jessamy" I told the truth and said no
and ended up with an angry teacher so I walked out of the class and headed
to the principals office , complained and refused to take anymore English
lessons telling him that my English was miles better than the teachers
despite me being dyslexic. 6 weeks of no English later the teacher came and
apologised to me in public :-D and he never asked me if he was right again
HAHAHA

--
Jessamy
Queen of Chocolate Squishies (and Occasional Liquorice Ones)
In The Netherlands
Take out: _I love the colour_ to reply.
www.geocities.com/jessamy_thompson
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jes...pson/my_photos
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A teacher I work with, who is otherwise an exceptional teacher, never
uses the word 'an.' Instead he talks about, "a apple, a A on a exam."
Drives me nuts.

Linda
PATCHogue, NY



Sandy Ellison February 23rd 07 04:52 PM

OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky
 
Howdy!

I grew up down on the border w/ Mexico.
The Hispanic migrant workers' children (or migrant working students)
usually didn't show up to school until late in October; missing
the first 2 months of school makes for too much work to catch up.
The hardest subject to catch up on was (usually) "language arts."
It just goes too fast. And we take it for granted when we grow
up in English-speaking homes that the subject will be taught at
our level. I still admire those non-English speakers who do put
up w/ all the weirdness involved in learning "English."
Which makes it all the more irritating to hear those who have
had all the advantages of a "U.S. English" education
speaking it so poorly. Some of the ignorance is a choice.

I ain't no expert, either. ;-)

If "it goes without saying", why say it anyway? ;-P

Ragmop/Sandy--ready to Finish another quilt but the beauty of the
outdoors is calling, calling me...



On 2/22/07 10:04 PM, in article
, "Ginger in CA"
wrote:

I volunteer teach adult literacy, and for the most part my student is
a person whose native language is not English. I teach one-on-one so
we are able to really get into the meaty discussions about grammar and
how English is such a strange language. I usually end up teaching not
only the reading but also the speaking aspect of English. Until I
listened to the blunders and laughed along with my students, I
couldn't appreciate how much effort they go to, to learn the language!

Ginger in CA


On Feb 22, 6:51 pm, Sandy Ellison wrote:
Howdy!

"I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong.
The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!"
or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P




Sandy Ellison February 23rd 07 06:10 PM

Off Topic OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky
 
Howdy!

BobDole syndrome: Mr.Dole is a U.S. politician with a habit of speaking
of himself in the 3rd person.
Reporter: "Mr.Dole, do you have a plan for dealing with the lack of health
care for children?"
Mr.Dole: "Bob Dole has a plan. Bob Dole wants to count those children
and find out how many don't have insurance. That's what Bob Dole will do."
g Might me a hangover from Mr.Nixon who used a similar technique:
"You won't have Richard Nixon to kick around any more."

Megan: "just for the sin of owning something" -- thank you! ;-D

Ragmop/Sandy http://www.museum.state.il.us/muslink/art/htmls/ks.html

On 2/23/07 4:16 AM, in article ,
"Sally Swindells" wrote:

Sandy Ellison wrote:
Howdy!

"I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong.
The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!"
or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P



Or 'myself' instead of 'me'. Perhaps people are so full of their own
importance that they choose a more important sounding name!

--
Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk)
http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin


Sandy February 23rd 07 06:53 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
In article ,
"Jessamy" wrote:

akkk! I am busy teaching my kids about *an* which is more complicated as
most of the English they know I taught them in the first place and they
speak Dutch at school. one would expect people to do better especially
teachers however all the things I have read in this thread have made me
cringe. I did once correct my English teacher when he said something wrong
and then said: "that's right isn't it jessamy" I told the truth and said no
and ended up with an angry teacher so I walked out of the class and headed
to the principals office , complained and refused to take anymore English
lessons telling him that my English was miles better than the teachers
despite me being dyslexic. 6 weeks of no English later the teacher came and
apologised to me in public :-D and he never asked me if he was right again
HAHAHA



Good for you, Jessamy! My elder DD once had a middle school English
teacher (by no stretch of the imagination was he either an English
teacher or any kind of teacher) who gave a test and graded it
incorrectly. When DD brought it home, I just about had apoplexy (isn't
that a wonderful word? G) and corrected his corrections, explaining in
writing why his corrections were wrong. DD took the test back to school,
as required, and the teacher was so "threatened" that he never again
sent any papers home. Needless to say, I complained to the
administration. This was a teacher who had been bounced around from one
school to another because of his incompetence, but no one could fire
him. :( The children paid the penalty, sadly.

--
Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas
sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious)
http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1

Sandy February 23rd 07 06:54 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
In article ,
Megan Zurawicz wrote:

My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent how
many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and
studiously enunciate it.......

--pig



I'm with you on that one, Piglet! Aaaarrrrgghhh!

--
Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas
sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious)
http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1

Sandy February 23rd 07 06:55 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
In article ,
"CATS" wrote:

" I am eruditerer than you" rofl

But then the UK and Commonwealth countries would have a
laugh over anomalies like Lieutenant

US = loo-ten-ant
UK = lef-ten-ant

--

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o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donut
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catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau



And it's really a French word.... ;)

--
Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas
sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious)
http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1

Sandy February 23rd 07 07:07 PM

OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky
 
In article .com,
"Ginger in CA" wrote:

I volunteer teach adult literacy, and for the most part my student is
a person whose native language is not English. I teach one-on-one so
we are able to really get into the meaty discussions about grammar and
how English is such a strange language. I usually end up teaching not
only the reading but also the speaking aspect of English. Until I
listened to the blunders and laughed along with my students, I
couldn't appreciate how much effort they go to, to learn the language!

Ginger in CA



Ginger, I ended up teaching a lot of English when I was teaching French
-- purely accidentally. g It was always odd to me to hear one of my
Spanish-speaking students ask why something was said in a certain way in
French, when it didn't translate that way into English. My stock
response was to ask them how to say a similar thing in Spanish, which
was almost always a direct parallel to the French. Then I'd say it was
*English* that was so strange. LOL!

--
Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas
sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious)
http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1

Kathy Applebaum February 23rd 07 10:29 PM

OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 

"Sandy" wrote in message
...

Good for you, Jessamy! My elder DD once had a middle school English
teacher (by no stretch of the imagination was he either an English
teacher or any kind of teacher) who gave a test and graded it
incorrectly.


Boy, does that bring back memories! :)

My middle school English teacher (who also wasn't a teacher of any kind)
used to make us do book reports. No problem there. We had to start out
saying what kind of book it was -- novel, history, etc. One of the books I
read was called "Words of the Myths", which is a book about words that
derive from Greek and Roman myths. I asked my mom what kind of book it was
and she suggested "philology". I looked the word up and agreed.

I hand in my paper, and it's returned with philology marked as misspelled. I
marched over to the teacher and complained that I knew the word was *not*
misspelled, as I had copied the spelling directly from the dictionary when I
looked it up. The teacher shrugged and said "Oh, I didn't know what it meant
so I marked it misspelled." What an inspiration she was to the young people
of Sacramento.

The one good thing to come from the incident is that I will never forget the
meaning or spelling of philology. *evil grin*

--
Kathy A. (Woodland, CA)
Queen of Fabric Tramps

http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/
remove the obvious to reply



Kathy Applebaum February 23rd 07 10:35 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 

"Sandy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Megan Zurawicz wrote:

My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent
how
many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and
studiously enunciate it.......

--pig



I'm with you on that one, Piglet! Aaaarrrrgghhh!

While I'm not guilty of that particular crime, I did often (used
intentionally) mispronounce words as a child. Why? Because I had learned
them from reading. I'd look up the meaning, but the pronunciation guides in
dictionaries mystified me, so I didn't always have the correct pronunciation
stuck in my head.

I was also guilty of learning a lot of words just by context, without
looking them up. A local hospital had a sign that read "Permission to pass
over revocable at any time." For years I wondered exactly what type of cable
a revo-cable was, and why the hospital felt the need to post a sign saying
it was okay to pass over it.
--
Kathy A. (Woodland, CA)
Queen of Fabric Tramps

http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/
remove the obvious to reply



Maureen Wozniak February 24th 07 02:04 AM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:35:01 -0600, Kathy Applebaum wrote
(in article ):



While I'm not guilty of that particular crime, I did often (used
intentionally) mispronounce words as a child. Why? Because I had learned
them from reading. I'd look up the meaning, but the pronunciation guides in
dictionaries mystified me, so I didn't always have the correct pronunciation
stuck in my head.

I was also guilty of learning a lot of words just by context, without
looking them up. A local hospital had a sign that read "Permission to pass
over revocable at any time." For years I wondered exactly what type of cable
a revo-cable was, and why the hospital felt the need to post a sign saying
it was okay to pass over it.


I guess all kids have something like that. I never could figure out how a
hickory stick could play a tune. And David didn't understand why "never" was
a seldom heard word.

Maureen


Maureen Wozniak February 24th 07 02:07 AM

OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:29:17 -0600, Kathy Applebaum wrote
(in article ):


"Sandy" wrote in message
...

Good for you, Jessamy! My elder DD once had a middle school English
teacher (by no stretch of the imagination was he either an English
teacher or any kind of teacher) who gave a test and graded it
incorrectly.


Boy, does that bring back memories! :)

My middle school English teacher (who also wasn't a teacher of any kind)
used to make us do book reports. No problem there. We had to start out
saying what kind of book it was -- novel, history, etc. One of the books I
read was called "Words of the Myths", which is a book about words that
derive from Greek and Roman myths. I asked my mom what kind of book it was
and she suggested "philology". I looked the word up and agreed.

I hand in my paper, and it's returned with philology marked as misspelled. I
marched over to the teacher and complained that I knew the word was *not*
misspelled, as I had copied the spelling directly from the dictionary when I
looked it up. The teacher shrugged and said "Oh, I didn't know what it meant
so I marked it misspelled." What an inspiration she was to the young people
of Sacramento.

The one good thing to come from the incident is that I will never forget the
meaning or spelling of philology. *evil grin*



I hate teachers like that. I had a high school English teacher for 2 years
that graded me down because I knew more than she did. It was a big fight to
get me into the honors English track because this teacher kept refusing to
sign the papers for me.

Maureen


Cats February 24th 07 03:18 AM

OT:Bad English teachers
 
They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a
"calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere
today. I loved teaching (adult training courses) but I
would not work in the current school systems and I fear many
who would make inspirational school teachers - the kind we
really need - feel the same.

It is sad to meet a child with a real hunger to learn and to
realise that they are being stifled in their school (or
home) environment. I know a couple who live near me, and
when you take the time to talk to them and to push them to
think and consider you can see the light in their eyes as
they realise what they are capable of.

--

Cheryl & the Cats in OZ
o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donut
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau


((snip))
:
: I hate teachers like that. I had a high school English
teacher for 2 years
: that graded me down because I knew more than she did. It
was a big fight to
: get me into the honors English track because this teacher
kept refusing to
: sign the papers for me.
:
: Maureen
:



Cheryl & the Cats in OZ February 24th 07 05:51 AM

New Log Cabin Quilt
 
On Feb 19, 12:08 pm, "John" wrote:
Well, I just finished my latest quilt. A 66"x 66" lap quilt for my
wife; (the self professed quilting widow). I think it is my best
effort to date. Hope you like it.

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y74...ng/?action=vie...

John


Thanks John I only just logged on to Google to try to catch up on
the posts I have missed recently and I even missed you reply.

Love the LC quilt.


John February 24th 07 03:14 PM

OT:Bad English teachers
 
On Feb 23, 9:18 pm, "CATS" wrote:
They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a
"calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere
today. I loved teaching (adult training courses) but I
would not work in the current school systems and I fear many
who would make inspirational school teachers - the kind we
really need - feel the same.

It is sad to meet a child with a real hunger to learn and to
realise that they are being stifled in their school (or
home) environment. I know a couple who live near me, and
when you take the time to talk to them and to push them to
think and consider you can see the light in their eyes as
they realise what they are capable of.

--

Cheryl & the Cats in OZ
o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donuthttp://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau

((snip))
:
: I hate teachers like that. I had a high school English
teacher for 2 years
: that graded me down because I knew more than she did. It
was a big fight to
: get me into the honors English track because this teacher
kept refusing to
: sign the papers for me.
:
: Maureen
:


My sister got into teaching, for a few years, and was constantly
frustrated by the other teachers attitude to only working to the
minimum required. She was also one of those people who tried doing
things "differently" than the other teachers would. She was so
successful, she received one of those $25,000 special Mentor Award
grants, that California hands out to outstanding teachers in their
field. The other teachers were so jealous, they shunned her in all the
interchanges they would have, such as the teachers break room. She
finally got fed up with it and bailed out, with much bad feeling on
her part and sense of loss from the administration and her students.
It is very lonely when you challenge the group, and only works if you
are strong enough to be self fulfilled.

John


Cats February 24th 07 03:31 PM

OT:Bad English teachers
 
How sad for her. I hope she found a challenge for her
obvious talents elsewhere and that she is now appreciated by
her dedication and enthusiasm.

--

Cheryl & the Cats in OZ
o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donut
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau


"John" wrote in message
oups.com...
: On Feb 23, 9:18 pm, "CATS" wrote:
: They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a
: "calling". Sadly there are all too many of them
everywhere
: today. I loved teaching (adult training courses) but I
: would not work in the current school systems and I fear
many
: who would make inspirational school teachers - the
kind we
: really need - feel the same.
:
: It is sad to meet a child with a real hunger to learn
and to
: realise that they are being stifled in their school (or
: home) environment. I know a couple who live near me,
and
: when you take the time to talk to them and to push them
to
: think and consider you can see the light in their eyes
as
: they realise what they are capable of.
:
: --
:
: Cheryl & the Cats in OZ
: o o o o
: ( Y ) ( Y )
: Boofhead
Donuthttp://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
: catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau
:
: ((snip))
: :
: : I hate teachers like that. I had a high school
English
: teacher for 2 years
: : that graded me down because I knew more than she did.
It
: was a big fight to
: : get me into the honors English track because this
teacher
: kept refusing to
: : sign the papers for me.
: :
: : Maureen
: :
:
: My sister got into teaching, for a few years, and was
constantly
: frustrated by the other teachers attitude to only working
to the
: minimum required. She was also one of those people who
tried doing
: things "differently" than the other teachers would. She
was so
: successful, she received one of those $25,000 special
Mentor Award
: grants, that California hands out to outstanding teachers
in their
: field. The other teachers were so jealous, they shunned
her in all the
: interchanges they would have, such as the teachers break
room. She
: finally got fed up with it and bailed out, with much bad
feeling on
: her part and sense of loss from the administration and her
students.
: It is very lonely when you challenge the group, and only
works if you
: are strong enough to be self fulfilled.
:
: John
:
:



Boca Jan February 24th 07 05:19 PM

OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 
Florida is not known for it's excellence in its schools. It does better in
the weather/beach department though. (please exclude hurricanes)

--
Boca Jan
Florida - Land of the Hurricanes
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/poo_de_doo/myphotos


"Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message
...
My pet horror story in this vein happened to the son of an old HS
girlfriend.

As she's quite literate and had proofed his paper, she was somewhat
baffled
to see how many points had been taken off for spelling, and looked
further.

His teacher had marked "air conditioning" as spelled incorrectly. She
went
to the teacher and asked her precisely what was wrong with the spelling,
and
the teacher insisted that EVERYONE knows the correct spelling is "air
condishunning". Physically presenting the teacher with the dictionary
entry
simply got a response of "well, I admit it's hard to understand how it
could
happen, but obviously the dictionary's got it wrong as well."

Appeals to the principal got "We cannot override the grading of any
teacher
for any reason."

If that's not insanity, I don't know what is.

(The school system in question was in Florida, the grade level was circa
age
10.)

--pig

--pig


On 2/22/07 16:38, in article , "CATS"
wrote:

One girl I tutored had her work corrected
when she was right and the teacher was wrong!





Boca Jan February 24th 07 05:26 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
That is also a pet hate of mine. Also the pronounciatioin of ask being
pronounced as axed. ACK!

--
Boca Jan
Florida - Land of the Hurricanes
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/poo_de_doo/myphotos


"Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message
...
My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent
how
many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and
studiously enunciate it.......

--pig


On 2/23/07 03:59, in article , "Sally
Swindells" wrote:

My pet hate is difficult to describe, but is what I call 'false
gentrification' of the language.





Jessamy February 24th 07 05:51 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
that would make for an interesting conversation with the police: oh yes! I
axed him too! (meant as: I asked him as well)

--
Jessamy
Queen of Chocolate Squishies (and Occasional Liquorice Ones)
In The Netherlands
Take out: _I love the colour_ to reply.
www.geocities.com/jessamy_thompson
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jes...pson/my_photos
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That is also a pet hate of mine. Also the pronounciatioin of ask being
pronounced as axed. ACK!

--
Boca Jan
Florida - Land of the Hurricanes
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/poo_de_doo/myphotos



Kay Ahr[_2_] February 24th 07 09:29 PM

Thank Goodness for Message Blocking was OT: Grammar-Picky
 
Aaaah, this Thompson child always writes like this. For him a troll is
probably from Billy Goats Gruff. Or maybe he's actually trying to read
Tolkien in his junior high classes.

--
Kay Ahr in NV
to respond to me directly, remove "WESTHI" from the email address


"CATS" wrote in message
...
"Edward W. Thompson" wrote

((snip))
:
: With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is
bizarre.
: What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find
difficult to
: comprehend?



Please feel free NOT to add snide or whiney comments to your
responses to clearly marked OT messages.

If you don't like seeing OT comments in a "quilting
orum" - and you have constantly made it clear that you
don't - then don't read them. And if you don't agree with
the comments of others either don't reply to them, or at
least try to remain civil (see definition below).

From M-W Dictionary -
synonyms CIVIL, POLITE, COURTEOUS, GALLANT, CHIVALROUS mean
observant of the forms required by good breeding. CIVIL
often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt
rudeness owed the questioner a civil reply. POLITE
commonly implies polish of speech and manners and sometimes
suggests an absence of cordiality if you can't be pleasant,
at least be polite. COURTEOUS implies more actively
considerate or dignified politeness clerks who were
unfailingly courteous to customers. GALLANT and CHIVALROUS
imply courteous attentiveness especially to women. GALLANT
suggests spirited and dashing behavior and ornate
expressions of courtesy a gallant suitor of the old
school. CHIVALROUS suggests high-minded and
self-sacrificing behavior a chivalrous display of duty.

If you are merely amusing yourself by testing how many
people you can annoy enough for them to snap back -
congratulations! You have caught me on a bad day. I have
snapped back (more from exasperation than anger), and you
have goaded me into being as rude to you as you are to this
group. Are you happy?



Message blocking applied in THIS reader too - I should
have remembered when I updated (sigh)!
--
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o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donut
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau






John February 24th 07 09:54 PM

OT:Bad English teachers
 
On Feb 24, 9:31 am, "CATS" wrote:
How sad for her. I hope she found a challenge for her
obvious talents elsewhere and that she is now appreciated by
her dedication and enthusiasm.

--

Cheryl & the Cats in OZ
o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donuthttp://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau

"John" wrote in message

oups.com...
: On Feb 23, 9:18 pm, "CATS" wrote:
: They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a
: "calling". Sadly there are all too many of them
everywhere
: today. I loved teaching (adult training courses) but I
: would not work in the current school systems and I fear
many
: who would make inspirational school teachers - the
kind we
: really need - feel the same.
:
: It is sad to meet a child with a real hunger to learn
and to
: realise that they are being stifled in their school (or
: home) environment. I know a couple who live near me,
and
: when you take the time to talk to them and to push them
to
: think and consider you can see the light in their eyes
as
: they realise what they are capable of.
:
: --
:
: Cheryl & the Cats in OZ
: o o o o
: ( Y ) ( Y )
: Boofhead
Donuthttp://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
: catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau
:
: ((snip))
: :
: : I hate teachers like that. I had a high school
English
: teacher for 2 years
: : that graded me down because I knew more than she did.
It
: was a big fight to
: : get me into the honors English track because this
teacher
: kept refusing to
: : sign the papers for me.
: :
: : Maureen
: :
:
: My sister got into teaching, for a few years, and was
constantly
: frustrated by the other teachers attitude to only working
to the
: minimum required. She was also one of those people who
tried doing
: things "differently" than the other teachers would. She
was so
: successful, she received one of those $25,000 special
Mentor Award
: grants, that California hands out to outstanding teachers
in their
: field. The other teachers were so jealous, they shunned
her in all the
: interchanges they would have, such as the teachers break
room. She
: finally got fed up with it and bailed out, with much bad
feeling on
: her part and sense of loss from the administration and her
students.
: It is very lonely when you challenge the group, and only
works if you
: are strong enough to be self fulfilled.
:
: John
:
:


She went back to school and got her PHD in child psych but has never
practiced, full time. Did do some work on a contract basis for the
county juvenile service. Is now married to her long time Beau and they
are doing nicely.

John


Megan Zurawicz February 24th 07 11:13 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
"I need to axe my momma and daddy."
"Are you sure? It didn't work out really well for Lizzie Borden."

Of course, it's not these folks' faults; it's years of being corrupted by
grisly Christmas carols, of course....

"...to sing a slaying song tonight...."

That's the party down the hall from the one where they're all donning now
their gay apparel. :)

--pig


On 2/24/07 10:51, in article ,
"Jessamy" wrote:

that would make for an interesting conversation with the police: oh yes! I
axed him too!



Kathy Applebaum February 25th 07 12:21 AM

OT: Axing mom and dad (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 

"Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message
...
"I need to axe my momma and daddy."
"Are you sure? It didn't work out really well for Lizzie Borden."


In the words of the Kingston Trio:

Oh, you can't chop your papa up in Massachusetts,
Massachusetts is a far cry from New York!

For some reason it really bothered my parents that I knew all the words to
that song. *grin*

--
Kathy A. (Woodland, CA)
Queen of Fabric Tramps

http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/
remove the obvious to reply



Jack Campin - bogus address February 25th 07 01:01 AM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been
silent how many centuries?


Not in Scots it hasn't. I doubt the pronunciation has changed at all
since the Middle Ages. Probably the Americans who pronounce it that
way got it from Scots immigrants.

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Jack Campin - bogus address February 25th 07 01:26 AM

OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 
My middle school English teacher (who also wasn't a teacher of any kind)
used to make us do book reports. No problem there. We had to start out
saying what kind of book it was -- novel, history, etc. One of the books
I read was called "Words of the Myths", which is a book about words that
derive from Greek and Roman myths. I asked my mom what kind of book it
was and she suggested "philology". I looked the word up and agreed.

I hand in my paper, and it's returned with philology marked as misspelled.
I marched over to the teacher and complained that I knew the word was
*not* misspelled, as I had copied the spelling directly from the dictionary
when I looked it up. The teacher shrugged and said "Oh, I didn't know what
it meant so I marked it misspelled."


When I was about 10 I had a rather naive, not very bright, and very
Christian teacher called Miss Jones (probably the first person I met
who had a Welsh accent to match the name). For whatever reason, she
brought in a record of Tom Lehrer songs. And played the whole thing.
Including "The Masochism Tango".

- Miss Jones, what's "masochism"?

- I'm not sure, let's look it up in the dictionary, shall we?...
[flip flip flip] "A sexual perversion characterized by..."
ooh, I didn't think it was *that* strong!


The one good thing to come from the incident is that I will never
forget the meaning or spelling of philology. *evil grin*


The one I remember was "phthisis" A bit after the above episode we
had a sort of competitive test to see how good our pronunuciation was.
We had to read out a list of words of ever-increasing difficulty and
obscurity. I was way ahead of the rest of the class, and made it all
through the list until that one, which was the very last item. The
frustrating thing was that I knew *how* to pronounce it, and what the
word meant; I just couldn't physically do it, thanks to having a cleft
palate and at that point no denture to articulate that consonant
cluster on. (I've since acquired a fascination for languages like
Georgian that have gigantic pile-ups of consonants - I can roll off
placenames like "Mtskheta" with no problem at all).

============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557

Tia Mary February 25th 07 02:14 AM

OT: Axing mom and dad (was OT Grammar Book New Log CabinQuilt)
 
Kathy Applebaum wrote:
In the words of the Kingston Trio:

Oh, you can't chop your papa up in Massachusetts,
Massachusetts is a far cry from New York!

For some reason it really bothered my parents that I knew all the words to
that song. *grin*


Geez Loueez -- which song is that? I should know it -- my DBro and I
used to sing & play guitar in coffee houses way back in the mid-60's and
we did a whole bunch of Kingston Trio songs. I should KNOW that song
but it's just not coming to me. Tell me quick and put me out of my
misery!! All together, hum in tune -- and a one and a two and a
.....Shady Grove, my little love, Shady Grove I know...................
CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
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Cats February 25th 07 03:11 AM

OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 
So put me out of my misery
How do you pronounce "phthisis"?
--
Cheryl (who has a complete collection of TL songs on CD!)
& the Cats in OZ
o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donut
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau

"Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote in message
(snip)
: The one I remember was "phthisis" A bit after the above
episode we
: had a sort of competitive test to see how good our
pronunuciation was.
: We had to read out a list of words of ever-increasing
difficulty and
: obscurity. I was way ahead of the rest of the class, and
made it all
: through the list until that one, which was the very last
item. The
: frustrating thing was that I knew *how* to pronounce it,
and what the
: word meant; I just couldn't physically do it, thanks to
having a cleft
: palate and at that point no denture to articulate that
consonant
: cluster on. (I've since acquired a fascination for
languages like
: Georgian that have gigantic pile-ups of consonants - I can
roll off
: placenames like "Mtskheta" with no problem at all).
:



frood February 25th 07 05:48 AM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
In our house, it is "don we now our day of peril". Of course, DD#1
doesn't know why we need to don the day, but she insists those are the
words. Especially since she saw that Futurama episode.

Wendy

Megan Zurawicz wrote:
"I need to axe my momma and daddy."
"Are you sure? It didn't work out really well for Lizzie Borden."

Of course, it's not these folks' faults; it's years of being corrupted by
grisly Christmas carols, of course....

"...to sing a slaying song tonight...."

That's the party down the hall from the one where they're all donning now
their gay apparel. :)

--pig


On 2/24/07 10:51, in article ,
"Jessamy" wrote:

that would make for an interesting conversation with the police: oh yes! I
axed him too!



Leigh Harris February 25th 07 08:22 AM

OT:Bad English teachers
 
"CATS" wrote
They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a
"calling". Sadly there are all too many of them everywhere
today.


I agree that there are a number of bad teachers out there, but as a current
member of one of the most undervalued professions, I would like to point out
that I believe they are still in the minority. I am a high school English
teacher (20+ years) and I take great pleasure in challenging my students to
improve and then seeing them actually achieve that improvement. I also have
no problem in admitting that I too am human and prone to mistakes or lack of
knowledge. I am as able to check something in a dictionary as anyone else.
If I make a mistake in a handout or on the board, I congratulate those who
pick it up, admiring their proofreading skills. Anyone who is so insecure
that they can't take correction, especially from a child or teenager, should
never enter a classroom, in my opinion!

I know, the whole teaching profession was not being bagged in this thread.
It's just that there is a lot of that going on in my home state at the
moment, mostly thanks to the stupid government itself. The story goes
something like this - Let's force teachers to implement a new type of
curriculum, whether they like it or not, then dump it just as they've put
years of preparation into it. Also, let's make that change the week before
the new school year starts and expect them to still provide a good education
to their senior students. I'm waiting for the part nearer the end of the
year when we then blame all the teachers for not getting top results from
their students. Add to that the ridiculous notion of students having a say
in teacher pay/bonus pay and you see the education climate here at the
moment. (Hmm, I don't like my teacher. If I don't perform so well, or say
she's done a bad job and I could have done better with another teacher, she
gets less pay. Great system!) The mind boggles.

Okay, I'm off to mark some student work now, if I can figure out which of
the three possible systems it is that they want me to use today (yes, I'm
serious about that...)

--
Leigh Harris
Perth, Western Australia



Roberta Zollner February 25th 07 10:12 AM

OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 
With a hanky in front of your mouth.
Roberta in D

"CATS" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
So put me out of my misery
How do you pronounce "phthisis"?
--
Cheryl (who has a complete collection of TL songs on CD!)
& the Cats in OZ
o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donut
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau

"Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote in message
(snip)
: The one I remember was "phthisis" A bit after the above
episode we
: had a sort of competitive test to see how good our
pronunuciation was.
: We had to read out a list of words of ever-increasing
difficulty and
: obscurity. I was way ahead of the rest of the class, and
made it all
: through the list until that one, which was the very last
item. The
: frustrating thing was that I knew *how* to pronounce it,
and what the
: word meant; I just couldn't physically do it, thanks to
having a cleft
: palate and at that point no denture to articulate that
consonant
: cluster on. (I've since acquired a fascination for
languages like
: Georgian that have gigantic pile-ups of consonants - I can
roll off
: placenames like "Mtskheta" with no problem at all).
:





Jessamy February 25th 07 11:29 AM

OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 
that needed a spew warning.. now my computer screen is covered in coffee!

--
Jessamy
Queen of Chocolate Squishies (and Occasional Liquorice Ones)
In The Netherlands
Take out: _I love the colour_ to reply.
www.geocities.com/jessamy_thompson
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jes...pson/my_photos
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When I was about 10 I had a rather naive, not very bright, and very
Christian teacher called Miss Jones (probably the first person I met
who had a Welsh accent to match the name). For whatever reason, she
brought in a record of Tom Lehrer songs. And played the whole thing.
Including "The Masochism Tango".

- Miss Jones, what's "masochism"?

- I'm not sure, let's look it up in the dictionary, shall we?...
[flip flip flip] "A sexual perversion characterized by..."
ooh, I didn't think it was *that* strong!


The one good thing to come from the incident is that I will never
forget the meaning or spelling of philology. *evil grin*


The one I remember was "phthisis" A bit after the above episode we
had a sort of competitive test to see how good our pronunuciation was.
We had to read out a list of words of ever-increasing difficulty and
obscurity. I was way ahead of the rest of the class, and made it all
through the list until that one, which was the very last item. The
frustrating thing was that I knew *how* to pronounce it, and what the
word meant; I just couldn't physically do it, thanks to having a cleft
palate and at that point no denture to articulate that consonant
cluster on. (I've since acquired a fascination for languages like
Georgian that have gigantic pile-ups of consonants - I can roll off
placenames like "Mtskheta" with no problem at all).

============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk
==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660
4760
http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554
975
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739
557



Cats February 25th 07 01:35 PM

OT:Bad English teachers
 
On behalf of your students - most of whom probably do not
realise just how fortunate they are to have you right now -
thankyou for sticking it out. One day they will look back
and remember your classes. I fondly remember one or two of
my teachers at each of various stages of my schooling. They
helped light a fire in me that keeps me learning even now.

In the eyes of many - myself included - teaching should be
seen as one of the most honoured of professions. I
certainly did not mean to imply that there are no dedicated
teachers anymore. But faced with the interference of
political correctness idiots, civil libertarians, political
point scorers and parents who take no responsibility for the
raising/teaching of their own children, I honestly don't
know how many of you continue to cope.

BTW - from observation our ed system is no better over here.

--

Cheryl & the Cats in OZ
o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donut
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau


"Leigh Harris" wrote in message
...
: "CATS" wrote
: They are "teachers" with a job, not a profession or a
: "calling". Sadly there are all too many of them
everywhere
: today.
:
: I agree that there are a number of bad teachers out there,
but as a current
: member of one of the most undervalued professions, I would
like to point out
: that I believe they are still in the minority. I am a high
school English
: teacher (20+ years) and I take great pleasure in
challenging my students to
: improve and then seeing them actually achieve that
improvement. I also have
: no problem in admitting that I too am human and prone to
mistakes or lack of
: knowledge. I am as able to check something in a dictionary
as anyone else.
: If I make a mistake in a handout or on the board, I
congratulate those who
: pick it up, admiring their proofreading skills. Anyone who
is so insecure
: that they can't take correction, especially from a child
or teenager, should
: never enter a classroom, in my opinion!
:
: I know, the whole teaching profession was not being bagged
in this thread.
: It's just that there is a lot of that going on in my home
state at the
: moment, mostly thanks to the stupid government itself. The
story goes
: something like this - Let's force teachers to implement a
new type of
: curriculum, whether they like it or not, then dump it just
as they've put
: years of preparation into it. Also, let's make that change
the week before
: the new school year starts and expect them to still
provide a good education
: to their senior students. I'm waiting for the part nearer
the end of the
: year when we then blame all the teachers for not getting
top results from
: their students. Add to that the ridiculous notion of
students having a say
: in teacher pay/bonus pay and you see the education climate
here at the
: moment. (Hmm, I don't like my teacher. If I don't perform
so well, or say
: she's done a bad job and I could have done better with
another teacher, she
: gets less pay. Great system!) The mind boggles.
:
: Okay, I'm off to mark some student work now, if I can
figure out which of
: the three possible systems it is that they want me to use
today (yes, I'm
: serious about that...)
:
: --
: Leigh Harris
: Perth, Western Australia
:
:



[email protected] February 25th 07 03:22 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
When I taught HS, I had a poster of a kid standing over a dead woman
with an axe dripping in blood. It said, "I have to axe my mother." Too
graphic for the grades I teach now.

Linda
PATCHogue, NY

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:26:20 -0500, "Boca Jan"
wrote:

Also the pronounciatioin of ask being
pronounced as axed


Kathy Applebaum February 25th 07 05:38 PM

OT: Axing mom and dad (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 
Why, it's "The Ballad of Lizzie Borden", of course.

And looking it up, I see that I was *completely* wrong about the group.
Aargh! It was the Chad Mitchell Trio, not the Kingston Trio. (In my defense,
I did have several records from both trios as a kid.) Sorry for making you
think you should know the song!

Here's the lyrics for those who are interested.

http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/lizziebo.htm


--
Kathy A. (Woodland, CA)
Queen of Fabric Tramps

http://fabrictramp.typepad.com/fabric_tramping/
remove the obvious to reply


"Tia Mary" wrote in message
...
Kathy Applebaum wrote:
In the words of the Kingston Trio:

Oh, you can't chop your papa up in Massachusetts,
Massachusetts is a far cry from New York!

For some reason it really bothered my parents that I knew all the words
to that song. *grin*


Geez Loueez -- which song is that? I should know it -- my DBro and I used
to sing & play guitar in coffee houses way back in the mid-60's and we did
a whole bunch of Kingston Trio songs. I should KNOW that song but it's
just not coming to me. Tell me quick and put me out of my misery!! All
together, hum in tune -- and a one and a two and a ....Shady Grove, my
little love, Shady Grove I know................... CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary




Kate XXXXXX February 25th 07 07:23 PM

OT: apostrophe
 
Megan Zurawicz wrote:
I'm assuming the child in question is named Myles, yes?

When a name ends in an s, it's now acceptable to do the classic "apostrophe
s" for possession (Myles's) but more traditionally formally correct not to
double the s---simply don't add the last one (Myles').

Looks odd enough to some folks---they know "Myles's" looks wrong, but they
also "know" with a vengeance that it's got to end in 's somehow---that
they're willing to drop the s that's part of Myles to get the 's added.

Myles never becomes Myle, nor Charles Charle, just for the sin of owning
something. :)

--pig


Does one not say 'Myles's bed' over your way the way I would (and do!)
say 'James's bed' here in England?

Nowt wrong wi' that, lass. ;)

I like your last sentence: that's one I'll tuck away for future
lessons... Puts the point across beautifully.
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

Pat in Virginia February 25th 07 07:29 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
This is NOT addressed to Kathy A. It is a general
posting. Ta!

Yes, incorrect pronunciation is a tad annoying.
I would like to point out that sometimes it is due to
hearing impairment. IOW, let's not be too quick to
judge! I often mispronounce words and get odd looks,
but that is because I cannot always HEAR the word as
others do. So, if you happen to be presenting a class
or workshop and the moderator mispronounces a word in
her introduction, kindly do not shout out the correct
pronunciation. She may be hearing impaired, and/or she
may be unfamiliar with the word. You can just use the
proper form in your presentation. This would save the
moderator public embarrassment and hurt feelings.
Thank you. PAT

Kathy Applebaum wrote:

..
While I'm not guilty of that particular crime, I did often (used
intentionally) mispronounce words as a child. Why? Because I had learned
them from reading. I'd look up the meaning, but the pronunciation guides in
dictionaries mystified me, so I didn't always have the correct pronunciation
stuck in my head.

I was also guilty of learning a lot of words just by context, without
looking them up. A local hospital had a sign that read "Permission to pass
over revocable at any time." For years I wondered exactly what type of cable
a revo-cable was, and why the hospital felt the need to post a sign saying
it was okay to pass over it.


Pat in Virginia February 25th 07 07:39 PM

Off Topic OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky
 
Sandy: There is a quilter of some prominence who does
that too. She does it often in a lecture. It makes me
grind my teeth!
Well, she refers to herself in the third person using
her own name. She does not call herself Bob Dole, thank
goodness.
PAT in Virginia

Sandy Ellison wrote:

Howdy!

BobDole syndrome: Mr.Dole is a U.S. politician with a habit of speaking
of himself in the 3rd person.
Reporter: "Mr.Dole, do you have a plan for dealing with the lack of health
care for children?"
Mr.Dole: "Bob Dole has a plan. Bob Dole wants to count those children
and find out how many don't have insurance. That's what Bob Dole will do."
g Might me a hangover from Mr.Nixon who used a similar technique:
"You won't have Richard Nixon to kick around any more."


Sandy February 25th 07 09:59 PM

OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
 
In article ,
Pat in Virginia wrote:

This is NOT addressed to Kathy A. It is a general
posting. Ta!

Yes, incorrect pronunciation is a tad annoying.
I would like to point out that sometimes it is due to
hearing impairment. IOW, let's not be too quick to
judge! I often mispronounce words and get odd looks,
but that is because I cannot always HEAR the word as
others do. So, if you happen to be presenting a class
or workshop and the moderator mispronounces a word in
her introduction, kindly do not shout out the correct
pronunciation. She may be hearing impaired, and/or she
may be unfamiliar with the word. You can just use the
proper form in your presentation. This would save the
moderator public embarrassment and hurt feelings.
Thank you. PAT


You make an excellent point, Pat. But, my goodness, I can't imagine
publicly correcting someone in mid-presentation! How very rude. I'm sure
it's happened, but why can't people imagine how embarrassed and hurt
they would feel if someone did something of the sort to them? There's
this little thing called the Golden Rule....

--
Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas
sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious)
http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1

Jack Campin - bogus address February 26th 07 02:54 AM

OT:Bad English teachers (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
 
So put me out of my misery
How do you pronounce "phthisis"?


Phonetically!

The only thing not obvious in the spelling is that the first
"i" is a long "ee" sound. So it's just "thesis" with an "f"
sound in front.

English spelling is a lot more regular than most folks think.

============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
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http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
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Cats February 26th 07 03:22 AM

Still OT Words was OT:Bad English teachers
 
Hhmmmm! I hadn't encountered the spoken word before so I
would have assumed that either "ph" or "th" were silent.

Thanks for my learning exercise of the day lol

Maybe you could help me out with a word I haven't found
(mind you, probably not looking all that hard either!). I
was wearing a tee shirt with "ailurophile" on the front (cat
lover) and someone asked me what the correct term was for a
dog lover. I couldn't remember. Don't suppose you would
happen to know, would you? TIA
--

Cheryl & the Cats in OZ
o o o o
( Y ) ( Y )
Boofhead Donut
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau


"Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote
in message
...
: So put me out of my misery
: How do you pronounce ""?
:
: Phonetically!
:
: The only thing not obvious in the spelling is that the
first
: "i" is a long "ee" sound. So it's just "thesis" with an
"f"
: sound in front.
:
: English spelling is a lot more regular than most folks
think.
:
: ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co
.. uk ==============
: Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland
| tel 0131 660 4760
: http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free
| fax 0870 0554 975
: stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts
| mob 07800 739 557




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