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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
First off, let me make clear that I are one. :) So I'm not even close to
potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. :) Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this |
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pig, I sympathize with the obsession over language and usage. My current pet
peeve (and I've sent multiple emails to the about it) is the inability of any reporter on NPR to pronounce the word 'veterinary' or 'veterinarian' correctly. The'er' is dropped from the word entirely. While I may be willing to overlook the pronunciation as a regional dialect in some cases, not so from the mouths of press professionals! -- Debi (and can someone please teach GW how to pronounce 'nuclear'?) Chaos, panic and disorder ... my work here is done. "Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message ... First off, let me make clear that I are one. :) So I'm not even close to potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. :) Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this |
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It's the pronunciations that get to me. I have been stressing to my
students that if they pronounce words correctly, they will be more likely to spell them correctly. Then I walked into a 5th grade classroom where the teacher had written the date as Valentines Day, Febuary 14, 2007. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:27:05 -0600, Megan Zurawicz wrote: First off, let me make clear that I are one. :) So I'm not even close to potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. :) Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this Linda PATCHogue, NY |
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warsh (as in wash)
are when it should be our masonry said as masonary. Just a few off the top of my head. Is this good for your recovery pig? Taria Debi Matlack wrote: pig, I sympathize with the obsession over language and usage. My current pet peeve (and I've sent multiple emails to the about it) is the inability of any reporter on NPR to pronounce the word 'veterinary' or 'veterinarian' correctly. The'er' is dropped from the word entirely. While I may be willing to overlook the pronunciation as a regional dialect in some cases, not so from the mouths of press professionals! |
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Distraction from contemplation of pain is always a good thing. :)
--pig On 2/21/07 20:36, in article 0l7Dh.1270$5F5.203@trnddc02, "Taria" wrote: Is this good for your recovery pig? |
OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
Oh, good grief!! As the daughter of an English major, all the things
mentioned annoy me. My mom use to tell me the very same thing; pronounce it correctly, and spelling becomes much easier. Her other favorite remark was "Words have meanings!" She said this when people used a word in the wrong context, or used it to mean something it was never intended to mean. -- TerriLee in WA (state) remove the cats to reply http://community.webshots.com/user/tlbishop "WitchyStitcher" wrote in message ... It's the pronunciations that get to me. I have been stressing to my students that if they pronounce words correctly, they will be more likely to spell them correctly. Then I walked into a 5th grade classroom where the teacher had written the date as Valentines Day, Febuary 14, 2007. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:27:05 -0600, Megan Zurawicz wrote: First off, let me make clear that I are one. :) So I'm not even close to potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. :) Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this Linda PATCHogue, NY |
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;)) I am known for my red pen - honestly!
I am currently going through training on our upcoming new software change, and promptly took my red pen to the instruction manual to point out misspellings and grammar issues. I then handed it back to the instructor. Oh, we are paying $1 million dollars for this change, so it seems the least they could do is spell correctly! Our CEO and Deputy Executive Officer routinely send out system-wide emails with misspellings and bad grammar. Sheesh! Ginger in CA spelling has just always been "one of my things" On Feb 21, 7:19 pm, "TerriLee in WA \(state\)" wrote: Oh, good grief!! As the daughter of an English major, all the things mentioned annoy me. My mom use to tell me the very same thing; pronounce it correctly, and spelling becomes much easier. Her other favorite remark was "Words have meanings!" She said this when people used a word in the wrong context, or used it to mean something it was never intended to mean. -- TerriLee in WA (state) remove the cats to replyhttp://community.webshots.com/user/tlbishop - |
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Such errors in a training manual are inexcusable!
I am slipping into the habit of using internet abbreviations/grammar/punctuation in emails and posts, but I would never mail a letter that was not thoroughly checked. The same applies to the notes I print out for my classes. I will not pass out notes that have spelling/grammar errors. And it annoys me that my failing eyesight means that I might miss spelling errors more often now. (Don't anyone mention spellcheck - we use English spelling here, remember lol) But what excuse do Govt Departments have to allow such poor standards of correspondence on their letterheads? The attitude now is "if it gets the message across, what difference does it make?", but I recently wrote a tender for a friend who is definitely challenged in the writing skills area. When he was advised that he had won the tender he was told that his was not the best bid, but that he had submitted the most professional paperwork and was therefore seen as the best tenderer. So at least some out there still look for standards in writing and communication. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Ginger in CA" wrote in message oups.com... : ;)) I am known for my red pen - honestly! : I am currently going through training on our upcoming new software : change, and promptly took my red pen to the instruction manual to : point out misspellings and grammar issues. I then handed it back to : the instructor. Oh, we are paying $1 million dollars for this change, : so it seems the least they could do is spell correctly! : : Our CEO and Deputy Executive Officer routinely send out system-wide : emails with misspellings and bad grammar. Sheesh! : : Ginger in CA : spelling has just always been "one of my things" : On Feb 21, 7:19 pm, "TerriLee in WA \(state\)" : wrote: : : Oh, good grief!! As the daughter of an English major, all the things : mentioned annoy me. My mom use to tell me the very same thing; pronounce it : correctly, and spelling becomes much easier. Her other favorite remark was : "Words have meanings!" She said this when people used a word in the wrong : context, or used it to mean something it was never intended to mean. : -- : TerriLee in WA (state) : remove the cats to replyhttp://community.webshots.com/user/tlbishop : - : : |
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:43:18 -0500, WitchyStitcher
wrote: It's the pronunciations that get to me. I have been stressing to my students that if they pronounce words correctly, they will be more likely to spell them correctly. Then I walked into a 5th grade classroom where the teacher had written the date as Valentines Day, Febuary 14, 2007. snip This is an interesting subject albeit OT. However, how do you address the differences with pronunciation between regions? Who determines what is correct and incorrect? How do you account for the very significant differences or, more correctly, changes in the meaning of words, take 'gay' for example or 'cool'. The big strength of the English language and no doubt other languages is they change through common usage to reflect the needs of the users and pressures of the time. While I agree with everyone on the irritation of mispronunciation, bad grammar, mangled use of words, I'm afraid this is the result of working in a 'living' and 'dynamic' language. |
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I do so agree ...
but, if I started, there would be a book-length message g I will pick just one, of the moment: 'You really can't underestimate how important that is". (I did know about the book title, but it didn't seem vital, in context, to mention it g) .. In message , Megan Zurawicz writes First off, let me make clear that I are one. :) So I'm not even close to potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. :) Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
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Yes Edward - but one of my college subjects was advanced Latin gg
Deduce what you wish ...! .. In message , Edward W. Thompson writes snip This is an interesting subject albeit OT. However, how do you address the differences with pronunciation between regions? Who determines what is correct and incorrect? How do you account for the very significant differences or, more correctly, changes in the meaning of words, take 'gay' for example or 'cool'. The big strength of the English language and no doubt other languages is they change through common usage to reflect the needs of the users and pressures of the time. While I agree with everyone on the irritation of mispronunciation, bad grammar, mangled use of words, I'm afraid this is the result of working in a 'living' and 'dynamic' language. -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
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WitchyStitcher wrote:
It's the pronunciations that get to me. I have been stressing to my students that if they pronounce words correctly, they will be more likely to spell them correctly. Then I walked into a 5th grade classroom where the teacher had written the date as Valentines Day, Febuary 14, 2007. ARGH!!! My nit-pick of the moment is There's/Theirs and there/their/they're. Oh, and spelling and grammar checking on the computer that tells me I have it wrong when I write a sentence of 40+ words with three sets of parentheses... :D Then there's the split infinitive no man has splat before. -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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Megan Zurawicz wrote:
Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. "begs the questions": I have only _ever_ heard it used in as "leads us to ask". Of course, I do proofs for a living, and end up using phrases like "circular reasoning" even with friends/family not from work, who may not be entirely sure what I mean by that... Hanne in London - intrigued |
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TerriLee in WA (state) wrote:
Oh, good grief!! As the daughter of an English major, all the things mentioned annoy me. My mom use to tell me the very same thing; pronounce it correctly, and spelling becomes much easier. Her other favorite remark was "Words have meanings!" She said this when people used a word in the wrong context, or used it to mean something it was never intended to mean. I taught English up to university entrance level on and off for many years. I am dyslexic. The spelling checker is a wonderful tool, but it does annoy me that these days so many kids use it without checking to ensure that it is both set to the correct version of the language for the area and exam system in which they live and work, and that they accept it's corrections without checking that it has given them the correct word, or the correct version of the word chosen. For people like me who have no problem with pronunciation (I was brought up in an RAF environment, mostly in England, by Scots parents, and my 'accent' is close to BBC/received pronunciation, with odd pockets of Scots here and there), spelling can still be challenging, and genuine errors hold no fears for me. There is, however, no acceptable reason an no excuse for sending out official documents with spelling or grammatical errors, and I too get out the red pen and send them back for correction. I am a very firm believer in the organic nature of language, and have no trouble with words being hijacked, altered, changing their use over time, and with grammar changing and adapting to suit new circumstances. However, I am firmly against spelling reformation: that way you lose the roots of the language, the context of the vocabulary, the ability to map the changes, and, ultimately, the meaning. English as we speak it today is a complex collection and amalgamation of languages: the vocabulary and grammar have been absorbed from many root languages, and there are more shades of meaning in it than in almost any other. We need to continue this growth and change, not stifle it. But we also need to accept and acknowledge those roots and the conventions of grammar and spelling that go with them if we are to make any sense to ourselves and those around us. Let me recommend Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation by Lynne Truss (Paperback - 31 Oct 2005) and Talk to the Hand: The Utter Bloody Rudeness of Everyday Life (or Six Good Reasons to Stay Home and Bolt the Door) by Lynne Truss (Hardcover - 31 Oct 2005) And always remember: spelling and grammar 'rools' are more a set of guidelines and convention than laws! They are optional: fabric isn't! -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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One of my favorites. And the added introduction in the American edition is a
bonus! Roberta in D "Patti" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... I have it, too! It was a revelation to the 12 year-old I was tutoring for two years - to realise that punctuation was not a torture invented by teachers, but a functional and vital part of the English language g . In message om, John writes I love her! I received a copy of "Shoots, Eats, and Leaves" for Christmas and have been wholeheartedly enjoying reading it! -- Anita -- I gave that book to her for her birthday. So much for sentimentality. She loved it by the way. John -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
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I teach a developmental reading class where phonemic awareness and
phonics is stressed. These are children who are 9-11 years old and reading 2 or more years below grade level despite average or above average intelligence. I explain to them how the English language has changed and where words come from. I teach them about our Lawn Guyland accent and how it affects words. They have great fun doing exaggerations of this but it does focus their attentions on the words. This helps them understand word meanings and word spellings. On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:32:57 +0000, Edward W. Thompson wrote: This is an interesting subject albeit OT. However, how do you address the differences with pronunciation between regions? Who determines what is correct and incorrect? Linda PATCHogue, NY |
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Its jest as grate as it kin bee This I know bee cause I have a spell Czech on my pea sea Eye strike a key and type a word And weight fore it too say Weather eye am wrong oar write It shows me write a weigh. Sew Teacher eye now no Cuz my chequer tolled me sew This papers perfect all the weigh Throw aweigh that read pen and Jest mark this with an aye. On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:12:28 +0000, Kate XXXXXX wrote: I taught English up to university entrance level on and off for many years. I am dyslexic. The spelling checker is a wonderful tool, but it does annoy me that these days so many kids use it without checking to ensure that it is both set to the correct version of the language for the area and exam system in which they live and work, and that they accept it's corrections without checking that it has given them the correct word, or the correct version of the word chosen. Linda PATCHogue, NY |
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In article ,
"CATS" wrote: Such errors in a training manual are inexcusable! I am slipping into the habit of using internet abbreviations/grammar/punctuation in emails and posts, but I would never mail a letter that was not thoroughly checked. The same applies to the notes I print out for my classes. I will not pass out notes that have spelling/grammar errors. And it annoys me that my failing eyesight means that I might miss spelling errors more often now. (Don't anyone mention spellcheck - we use English spelling here, remember lol) But what excuse do Govt Departments have to allow such poor standards of correspondence on their letterheads? The attitude now is "if it gets the message across, what difference does it make?", but I recently wrote a tender for a friend who is definitely challenged in the writing skills area. When he was advised that he had won the tender he was told that his was not the best bid, but that he had submitted the most professional paperwork and was therefore seen as the best tenderer. So at least some out there still look for standards in writing and communication. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau I agree wholeheartedly with you, Cheryl. DH isn't the best in spelling and grammar, so he *always* has me proof what he's sending out to his students. When he was a high school principal, he did the same; his secretary couldn't be trusted to correct things, as she was almost as bad at spelling as he is and didn't care. :S It used to embarrass me no end that letters from the district office went out to parents with glaring mistakes in them. It infuriates me that government sends out similar paperwork. I've even been tempted to write to our local television and radio stations to ask if they have anyone on staff to proofread newscasts and check pronunciation before someone goes on the air and messes up. It's just awful! My current pet peeve is the difference in its/it's and similar words with and without apostrophes. I can't figure out why people can't see that an apostrophe on a pronoun means that a letter is missing. Therefore, "it's" really means "it is", not that something belongs to "it". :S There is no such thing as "her's" or "their's". Sheesh. -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious) http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 |
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Go, Pig! In my former life as a responsible, earning adult, I was a
writer. I was a newspaper writer/reporter for my entire career. Newspapers often opt for "calarity over grammar" -- as if the two were mutually exclusive. Drove me nuts. Even though I always intended to be a reporter, my degree was in English Literature. My husband is now City Editor of our local newspaper. He and I have had some snippy discussions through our years together about language. His position is that language and spelling are evolving, as they always have, and that staid, stuffy traditionalists had better just give it up. My position is that there is correct and there is incorrect and that people who want to make their words public should first make certain that those words are correct. I grit my teeth all the time when reading everything from major daily newspapers to blogs. OMG people! Get a tiny little copy of Strunk and White and learn to write the English language. (I am not talking about folks, like all of us here, who "talk" on posting boards. I really don't get too worked up about grammar or spelling or such when we are having what amounts to a friendly and very casual conversation. Nobody here is intending to publish their words and immortalize their posts, so please don't be offended by my little rant here.) Enough ranting. You get the picture. I fervantly wish that people who write for public consumption would consult the necessary books/ websites/English teachers and write with precision and conformity to standard English. And yes, I AM one of "those people". Sunny who grew up in rural, hicksville Texas saying such things as "nukuler mirs" and "liberry" and "it's down around the co'ner", and if I can learn and change, anybody can |
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No Edward, what we are talking about is not the result of evolving
language. We are talking about the mangling of standard usage -- grammar and spelling -- by people who should know better or who should employ a proofreader. As for geographic differences in pronunciation: I find most local dialects to be lovely to hear. The spoken language has great poetry in it. But when one goes on the air as a professional, either a news person or a spokesperson for an important organization/agency, that person has a responsibility to speak properly. It's fine and dandy to have an accent, but accents seldom account for the truly ignorant pronunciations that one hears coming from public servants who should know better. As for OT -- I think this discussion is completely on topic. We are quilters and we spend a lot of time making certain colors work together, points match, lines are straight.....how can we not carry that precision and care over to language? I really believe that there is a similarity between quilting and writing. I think that's why this "caught" me when I lost my ability to write for a living. This discussion isn't just about words. It's about who we are as quilters. We are people of precision and care. We are really discussing the things that make us good quilters. Our eyes, ears, senses and internal "gyroscope" if you will. I find this topic totally on topic. :) Sunny On Feb 21, 10:32 pm, Edward W. Thompson wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:43:18 -0500, WitchyStitcher wrote: It's the pronunciations that get to me. I have been stressing to my students that if they pronounce words correctly, they will be more likely to spell them correctly. Then I walked into a 5th grade classroom where the teacher had written the date as Valentines Day, Febuary 14, 2007. snip This is an interesting subject albeit OT. However, how do you address the differences with pronunciation between regions? Who determines what is correct and incorrect? How do you account for the very significant differences or, more correctly, changes in the meaning of words, take 'gay' for example or 'cool'. The big strength of the English language and no doubt other languages is they change through common usage to reflect the needs of the users and pressures of the time. While I agree with everyone on the irritation of mispronunciation, bad grammar, mangled use of words, I'm afraid this is the result of working in a 'living' and 'dynamic' language. |
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My biggest pet peeve in this category is "your" when the writer really means
"you're." It's everywhere! -- Donna in Idaho Reply to daawra3553 at yahoo dot com It's just awful! My current pet peeve is the difference in its/it's and similar words with and without apostrophes. I can't figure out why people can't see that an apostrophe on a pronoun means that a letter is missing. Therefore, "it's" really means "it is", not that something belongs to "it". :S There is no such thing as "her's" or "their's". Sheesh. -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious) http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 |
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http://www.fallacyfiles.org/begquest.html
Yes, that one's almost a completely lost issue. But they don't call me Pig Quixote for nothing. :) --pig On 2/22/07 02:53, in article erjllv$g6h$2@qmul, "Hanne Gottliebsen" wrote: "begs the questions": I have only _ever_ heard it used in as "leads us to ask". Of course, I do proofs for a living, and end up using phrases like "circular reasoning" even with friends/family not from work, who may not be entirely sure what I mean by that... |
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Just yesterday the 11yo from next door brought me an "essay"
he had written to show me his ribbon for best in class. It was only two small pages of large writing of course, but the teacher had not corrected a single spelling or grammar mistake! I'm not talking about dangling participles here - I mean there was almost no punctuation and any word over two syllables was phonetically spelled out (and not well at that!). Now this child loves to read, and when I questioned him he said he thought some of his writing was "wrong" but that the teacher didn't care as long as it was at least two pages. This boy goes to secondary school next year, and from what I have observed there is no effort there to correct writing standards either. One girl I tutored had her work corrected when she was right and the teacher was wrong! I wanted to write to the school but as I am not a parent there the girl asked me not to as she didn't want the teacher getting mad at her. What hope have we of producing literate students with attitudes like that, and when even school report cards come home with errors? -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Sunny" wrote in message oups.com... : Go, Pig! In my former life as a responsible, earning adult, I was a : writer. I was a newspaper writer/reporter for my entire career. : Newspapers often opt for "calarity over grammar" -- as if the two : were mutually exclusive. Drove me nuts. Even though I always intended : to be a reporter, my degree was in English Literature. My husband is : now City Editor of our local newspaper. He and I have had some snippy : discussions through our years together about language. His position is : that language and spelling are evolving, as they always have, and that : staid, stuffy traditionalists had better just give it up. My position : is that there is correct and there is incorrect and that people who : want to make their words public should first make certain that those : words are correct. I grit my teeth all the time when reading : everything from major daily newspapers to blogs. OMG people! Get a : tiny little copy of Strunk and White and learn to write the English : language. : : (I am not talking about folks, like all of us here, who "talk" on : posting boards. I really don't get too worked up about grammar or : spelling or such when we are having what amounts to a friendly and : very casual conversation. Nobody here is intending to publish their : words and immortalize their posts, so please don't be offended by my : little rant here.) : : Enough ranting. You get the picture. I fervantly wish that people who : write for public consumption would consult the necessary books/ : websites/English teachers and write with precision and conformity to : standard English. And yes, I AM one of "those people". : : Sunny : who grew up in rural, hicksville Texas saying such things as "nukuler : mirs" and "liberry" and "it's down around the co'ner", and if I can : learn and change, anybody can : : : |
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My pet horror story in this vein happened to the son of an old HS
girlfriend. As she's quite literate and had proofed his paper, she was somewhat baffled to see how many points had been taken off for spelling, and looked further. His teacher had marked "air conditioning" as spelled incorrectly. She went to the teacher and asked her precisely what was wrong with the spelling, and the teacher insisted that EVERYONE knows the correct spelling is "air condishunning". Physically presenting the teacher with the dictionary entry simply got a response of "well, I admit it's hard to understand how it could happen, but obviously the dictionary's got it wrong as well." Appeals to the principal got "We cannot override the grading of any teacher for any reason." If that's not insanity, I don't know what is. (The school system in question was in Florida, the grade level was circa age 10.) --pig --pig On 2/22/07 16:38, in article , "CATS" wrote: One girl I tutored had her work corrected when she was right and the teacher was wrong! |
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On Feb 21, 1:07�pm, Pat in Virginia wrote:
Shoots, Eats, and Leaves is terrific. Yesterday I took a bunch of stuff to the charity shop, and found a NEW copy of that book. I gladly bought it for just $1.00. Someone must have gotten it for a gift and was not pleased. My gain. PAT in VA/USA Patti wrote: I have it, too! It was a revelation to the 12 year-old I was tutoring for two years - to realise that punctuation was not a torture invented by teachers, but a functional and vital part of the English language g . In message om, John writes I love her! *I received a copy of "Shoots, Eats, and Leaves" for Christmas and have been wholeheartedly enjoying reading it! -- Anita -- I gave that book to her for her birthday. So much for sentimentality. She loved it by the way. John- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A trend I have noticed lately is the way some people pronounce words that start with 's'. Instead of saying 'street' for example, they say 'shtreet'. Or 'shweet' for 'sweet'. Or 'shtring' for 'string'. Listen to Tyra Banks sometime. She speaks this way. I've noticed this more and more on TV, sometimes from reporters on national or cable news shows. |
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Howdy!
"I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong. The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!" or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P Heard too often (and have read it twice so far in the latest book on my list): "They wished he would have had the time..." instead of "They wished he had had the time." Are people afraid to use the word "me" instead of "I"? "The prize was given to my husband and I"-- Yikes! In today's newspaper: "The children she taught, like her, were poor foster children." Oy! But it's that first one that makes me holler, "You could, too!" ;-P Ragmop/Sandy-- too tired to quilt another minute after spending time working in the yard; set out some of my flagstones until it got too hot (86*), extending the rock garden On 2/22/07 3:59 PM, in article , "Donna in Idaho" wrote: My biggest pet peeve in this category is "your" when the writer really means "you're." It's everywhere! |
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I volunteer teach adult literacy, and for the most part my student is
a person whose native language is not English. I teach one-on-one so we are able to really get into the meaty discussions about grammar and how English is such a strange language. I usually end up teaching not only the reading but also the speaking aspect of English. Until I listened to the blunders and laughed along with my students, I couldn't appreciate how much effort they go to, to learn the language! Ginger in CA On Feb 22, 6:51 pm, Sandy Ellison wrote: Howdy! "I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong. The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!" or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P Heard too often (and have read it twice so far in the latest book on my list): "They wished he would have had the time..." instead of "They wished he had had the time." Are people afraid to use the word "me" instead of "I"? "The prize was given to my husband and I"-- Yikes! In today's newspaper: "The children she taught, like her, were poor foster children." Oy! But it's that first one that makes me holler, "You could, too!" ;-P Ragmop/Sandy-- too tired to quilt another minute after spending time working in the yard; set out some of my flagstones until it got too hot (86*), extending the rock garden |
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Okay I like correct spelling and grammar, but I know that thhat I have
a lot of room for improvement. Apostrophes I am hopeless with, but I thought that the following sentence form our local paper was wrong. "Playing on Myle's bed with younger brother Philip......" Is that wrong and what should it be or am I wrong ? Dee in Oz On Feb 23, 5:41 am, "Sunny" wrote: Go, Pig! In my former life as a responsible, earning adult, I was a writer. I was a newspaper writer/reporter for my entire career. Newspapers often opt for "calarity over grammar" -- as if the two were mutually exclusive. Drove me nuts. Even though I always intended to be a reporter, my degree was in English Literature. My husband is now City Editor of our local newspaper. He and I have had some snippy discussions through our years together about language. His position is that language and spelling are evolving, as they always have, and that staid, stuffy traditionalists had better just give it up. My position is that there is correct and there is incorrect and that people who want to make their words public should first make certain that those words are correct. I grit my teeth all the time when reading everything from major daily newspapers to blogs. OMG people! Get a tiny little copy of Strunk and White and learn to write the English language. (I am not talking about folks, like all of us here, who "talk" on posting boards. I really don't get too worked up about grammar or spelling or such when we are having what amounts to a friendly and very casual conversation. Nobody here is intending to publish their words and immortalize their posts, so please don't be offended by my little rant here.) Enough ranting. You get the picture. I fervantly wish that people who write for public consumption would consult the necessary books/ websites/English teachers and write with precision and conformity to standard English. And yes, I AM one of "those people". Sunny who grew up in rural, hicksville Texas saying such things as "nukuler mirs" and "liberry" and "it's down around the co'ner", and if I can learn and change, anybody can |
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On 22 Feb 2007 10:52:55 -0800, "Sunny" wrote:
No Edward, what we are talking about is not the result of evolving language. We are talking about the mangling of standard usage -- grammar and spelling -- by people who should know better or who should employ a proofreader. As for geographic differences in pronunciation: I find most local dialects to be lovely to hear. The spoken language has great poetry in it. But when one goes on the air as a professional, either a news person or a spokesperson for an important organization/agency, that person has a responsibility to speak properly. It's fine and dandy to have an accent, but accents seldom account for the truly ignorant pronunciations that one hears coming from public servants who should know better. As for OT -- I think this discussion is completely on topic. We are quilters and we spend a lot of time making certain colors work together, points match, lines are straight.....how can we not carry that precision and care over to language? I really believe that there is a similarity between quilting and writing. I think that's why this "caught" me when I lost my ability to write for a living. This discussion isn't just about words. It's about who we are as quilters. We are people of precision and care. We are really discussing the things that make us good quilters. Our eyes, ears, senses and internal "gyroscope" if you will. I find this topic totally on topic. :) Sunny snip The evolution of language comes about by the very process of which you complain. Language is the medium by which we communicate meaning, if meaning is compromised then a problem occurs. If meaning is clear then it really comes down to preference,the language used has served its purpose. There is no such thing as 'speaking properly'. What may be 'proper' for you may be quite the opposite for others. Many in the UK would consider North American accents and use of the English language an affront rather than a natural development. With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is bizarre. What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find difficult to comprehend? |
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"Edward W. Thompson" wrote
((snip)) : : With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is bizarre. : What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find difficult to : comprehend? Please feel free NOT to add snide or whiney comments to your responses to clearly marked OT messages. If you don't like seeing OT comments in a "quilting orum" - and you have constantly made it clear that you don't - then don't read them. And if you don't agree with the comments of others either don't reply to them, or at least try to remain civil (see definition below). From M-W Dictionary - synonyms CIVIL, POLITE, COURTEOUS, GALLANT, CHIVALROUS mean observant of the forms required by good breeding. CIVIL often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness owed the questioner a civil reply. POLITE commonly implies polish of speech and manners and sometimes suggests an absence of cordiality if you can't be pleasant, at least be polite. COURTEOUS implies more actively considerate or dignified politeness clerks who were unfailingly courteous to customers. GALLANT and CHIVALROUS imply courteous attentiveness especially to women. GALLANT suggests spirited and dashing behavior and ornate expressions of courtesy a gallant suitor of the old school. CHIVALROUS suggests high-minded and self-sacrificing behavior a chivalrous display of duty. If you are merely amusing yourself by testing how many people you can annoy enough for them to snap back - congratulations! You have caught me on a bad day. I have snapped back (more from exasperation than anger), and you have goaded me into being as rude to you as you are to this group. Are you happy? Message blocking applied in THIS reader too - I should have remembered when I updated (sigh)! -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau |
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CATS wrote:
Just yesterday the 11yo from next door brought me an "essay" he had written to show me his ribbon for best in class. It was only two small pages of large writing of course, but the teacher had not corrected a single spelling or grammar mistake! I'm not talking about dangling participles here - I mean there was almost no punctuation and any word over two syllables was phonetically spelled out (and not well at that!). Now this child loves to read, and when I questioned him he said he thought some of his writing was "wrong" but that the teacher didn't care as long as it was at least two pages. This boy goes to secondary school next year, and from what I have observed there is no effort there to correct writing standards either. One girl I tutored had her work corrected when she was right and the teacher was wrong! I wanted to write to the school but as I am not a parent there the girl asked me not to as she didn't want the teacher getting mad at her. What hope have we of producing literate students with attitudes like that, and when even school report cards come home with errors? DD has never had any difficulty with spelling, but when she was about 8 she had leisure corrected as leasure! She had to write it out three times at the bottom of the page, and much to her disgust it was a new book and the first page is always special. Again it was a rather vindictive teacher, the school year was coming to an end and she decided it was a lesson in keeping quiet and not rocking the boat. She can still spell leisure properly, and whenever she saw the teacher (who lived near us) you could hear "can't spell leisure" said under her breath. Both children always had a list of spellings to learn during the week with a test on Monday morning, but DS always had to work hard on his. The family still uses his mind-joggers as 'family words' e.g. boAt, parliAment. -- Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk) http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin |
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A trend I have noticed lately is the way some people pronounce words that start with 's'. Instead of saying 'street' for example, they say 'shtreet'. Or 'shweet' for 'sweet'. Or 'shtring' for 'string'. Listen to Tyra Banks sometime. She speaks this way. I've noticed this more and more on TV, sometimes from reporters on national or cable news shows. Will listen for those! My pet hate is difficult to describe, but is what I call 'false gentrification' of the language. This is the inability to pronounce words like 'little' with the emphasis on the 'li', and the 't's said quickly with the 'le', so its LI tl. Instead it now seems to be liTTel, and hospital has become hospiTTal with the tongue brought really far forward behind the teeth to bet the full effect of those 'T's. Almost becomes what used to be described as 'short tongued'. Also hate the name of the letter H being pronounced as Haitch instead of Aitch. Have even heard it in tv adverts for HMV and HSBC. -- Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk) http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin |
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Sandy Ellison wrote:
Howdy! "I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong. The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!" or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P Heard too often (and have read it twice so far in the latest book on my list): "They wished he would have had the time..." instead of "They wished he had had the time." Are people afraid to use the word "me" instead of "I"? "The prize was given to my husband and I"-- Yikes! In today's newspaper: "The children she taught, like her, were poor foster children." Oy! But it's that first one that makes me holler, "You could, too!" ;-P Ragmop/Sandy-- too tired to quilt another minute after spending time working in the yard; set out some of my flagstones until it got too hot (86*), extending the rock garden On 2/22/07 3:59 PM, in article , "Donna in Idaho" wrote: My biggest pet peeve in this category is "your" when the writer really means "you're." It's everywhere! Or 'myself' instead of 'me'. Perhaps people are so full of their own importance that they choose a more important sounding name! -- Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk) http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin |
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CATS wrote:
"Edward W. Thompson" wrote ((snip)) : : With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is bizarre. : What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find difficult to : comprehend? Please feel free NOT to add snide or whiney comments to your responses to clearly marked OT messages. If you don't like seeing OT comments in a "quilting orum" - and you have constantly made it clear that you don't - then don't read them. And if you don't agree with the comments of others either don't reply to them, or at least try to remain civil (see definition below). From M-W Dictionary - synonyms CIVIL, POLITE, COURTEOUS, GALLANT, CHIVALROUS mean observant of the forms required by good breeding. CIVIL often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness owed the questioner a civil reply. POLITE commonly implies polish of speech and manners and sometimes suggests an absence of cordiality if you can't be pleasant, at least be polite. COURTEOUS implies more actively considerate or dignified politeness clerks who were unfailingly courteous to customers. GALLANT and CHIVALROUS imply courteous attentiveness especially to women. GALLANT suggests spirited and dashing behavior and ornate expressions of courtesy a gallant suitor of the old school. CHIVALROUS suggests high-minded and self-sacrificing behavior a chivalrous display of duty. If you are merely amusing yourself by testing how many people you can annoy enough for them to snap back - congratulations! You have caught me on a bad day. I have snapped back (more from exasperation than anger), and you have goaded me into being as rude to you as you are to this group. Are you happy? Message blocking applied in THIS reader too - I should have remembered when I updated (sigh)! But Cheryl, remember we adopted him as our pet troll the last time he started berating us. Remember, egg, gravy etc. -- Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk) http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin |
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My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent how
many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and studiously enunciate it....... --pig On 2/23/07 03:59, in article , "Sally Swindells" wrote: My pet hate is difficult to describe, but is what I call 'false gentrification' of the language. |
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What part of the fact that this thread has been labelled off topic from its
very beginning do you not understand? Seems silly to me to argue that a clearly marked off topic thread is off topic. Yes, thank you, I was quite aware this was water-cooler conversation when I started it, and clearly so labelled it. :) --pig On 2/23/07 00:42, in article , "Edward W. Thompson" wrote: With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is bizarre. What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find difficult to comprehend? |
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Call me when he's cooked - I will bring the carving knife!
Until then he is just a little too annoying for me in my present frame of mind. But if you guys want to bait him a little go right ahead. I will cheer from the side lines lol Trolls - beware! -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Sally Swindells" wrote in message ... : CATS wrote: : "Edward W. Thompson" wrote : : ((snip)) : : : : With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is : bizarre. : : What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find : difficult to : : comprehend? : : : : Please feel free NOT to add snide or whiney comments to your : responses to clearly marked OT messages. : : If you don't like seeing OT comments in a "quilting : orum" - and you have constantly made it clear that you : don't - then don't read them. And if you don't agree with : the comments of others either don't reply to them, or at : least try to remain civil (see definition below). : : From M-W Dictionary - : synonyms CIVIL, POLITE, COURTEOUS, GALLANT, CHIVALROUS mean : observant of the forms required by good breeding. CIVIL : often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt : rudeness owed the questioner a civil reply. POLITE : commonly implies polish of speech and manners and sometimes : suggests an absence of cordiality if you can't be pleasant, : at least be polite. COURTEOUS implies more actively : considerate or dignified politeness clerks who were : unfailingly courteous to customers. GALLANT and CHIVALROUS : imply courteous attentiveness especially to women. GALLANT : suggests spirited and dashing behavior and ornate : expressions of courtesy a gallant suitor of the old : school. CHIVALROUS suggests high-minded and : self-sacrificing behavior a chivalrous display of duty. : : If you are merely amusing yourself by testing how many : people you can annoy enough for them to snap back - : congratulations! You have caught me on a bad day. I have : snapped back (more from exasperation than anger), and you : have goaded me into being as rude to you as you are to this : group. Are you happy? : : : : Message blocking applied in THIS reader too - I should : have remembered when I updated (sigh)! : : But Cheryl, remember we adopted him as our pet troll the last time he : started berating us. Remember, egg, gravy etc. : : -- : Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk) : http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin |
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" I am eruditerer than you" rofl
But then the UK and Commonwealth countries would have a laugh over anomalies like Lieutenant US = loo-ten-ant UK = lef-ten-ant -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message ... : My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent how : many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and : studiously enunciate it....... : : --pig : : : On 2/23/07 03:59, in article , "Sally : Swindells" wrote: : : My pet hate is difficult to describe, but is what I call 'false : gentrification' of the language. : |
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Pointing out here that "loo-tenant" is closer to the original French from
which this word comes. :-) Roberta in D "CATS" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... " I am eruditerer than you" rofl But then the UK and Commonwealth countries would have a laugh over anomalies like Lieutenant US = loo-ten-ant UK = lef-ten-ant -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message ... : My favorite example of that is "off tin". T in "often" has been silent how : many centuries? when these folks decide to be "cultured-er than thou" and : studiously enunciate it....... : : --pig : : : On 2/23/07 03:59, in article , "Sally : Swindells" wrote: : : My pet hate is difficult to describe, but is what I call 'false : gentrification' of the language. : |
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