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Semi-OT - forum censorship
I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain
links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their primary goal. I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here. :) -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com |
I saw that too - I was very surprised.
There's also so many rules now about what you can post and where you can post it I mostly just read the lobby and look for cat pics :) I can't help but compare it to the kayaking board - similar concepts but so different in execution. The owner of that board now takes ads too, and you can "buy" a membership - but the only time the admins intervene is when the guys (it's almost always males) get to abusive name calling and/or threats (real or not they are against the user agreement). Good for you on your decision!! Kathy k "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their primary goal. I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here. :) -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com |
From the WC User Agreement:
"The Private Messaging system we use is a facility only available to registered members of WetCanvas!. Private messages are stored on our server. We will not open your private messaging folders except to investigate a report of abuse, to protect our servers, or if required to do so by law. " If they are viewing/editing private messages (as opposed to public posts), they are in violation of their own rules, and that's a pretty egregious invasion of privacy. Some of their other rules also seem pretty draconian, protecting/promoting their "member partners" but gagging other business associated persons. Oh, well, no loss to me, never used it. Val -- Bringing you BeadWizard Design Software www.beadwizard.com *************************** Practice safe eating -- always use condiments. *************************** "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their primary goal. I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here. :) -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com |
I really enjoy the wearable art show and tell, it gives me loads of
inspiration! I save all the photo's of jewellery that I love in a folder and then look through it when my muse needs a kick up the arse! Charlie. "Beadbimbo" wrote in message ... What a shame! I have to admit, I rarely look at WC anymore unless someone wants me to see something there and e-mails me a link. I just don't have time to go through it all. -- Jerri www.beadbimbo.com To subscribe to my mailing list, send an e-mail to: with "Subscribe" in the subject line. "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their primary goal. I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here. :) -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com |
Is this stated somewhere?
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Oh, boo hoo.
Geez. It's "their" website/forum. They can do what they want, including making a friggin' profit, banning fools, and monitoring content! One nice thing about the internet is that there is no shortage of domain names and web servers. You don't like somebody's website or forum? Start yer own with yer own precious "core values", already. Let's see how long YOU remain non-profit and altruistic. You need to get a life if some forum has you "really, really upset". It's a simple solution: Just don't go there any more. "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their primary goal. I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here. :) -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com |
Thank you for pointing this out, Kalera - the WC situation has been
bothering me for some time - especially since they still actively ask for "donations" from the members to "keep the site going", because it's a "valuable resource for artists" and it costs a lot to keep the site operational (beg, beg, beg). That would be fine if they weren't selling advertisements and vendor forums for profit, and censoring everyone's posts for "offending links". I think it's unethical to do both those things. WC claims to be doing everyone a favor by being available. For Profit websites aren't doing favors - they are in business to make money. That in and of itself is fine, as long as they don't masquerade as a community service. I don't like the censorship, and haven't for a long time, because it's biased based on the whim of the moderation team. They keep telling us that they don't play favorites, but in fact, they do. Evidence of that is pretty clear, all over the Glass Art boards. I wouldn't buy advertising there. I still read the boards and post on a rare occasion, because like it or not, that is the place everyone goes to trade information. But I have to tell you - if the attitude of the guys who run Art Glass Forum were better, I would be over there in a flash. But I find them to be almost as one sided as the people at WC. As a female beadmaker, I really have never felt welcome there. And ISGB is fine, but somewhat elitist, so I am almost afraid to post there. As it sits, I am somewhat dissatisfied with many of the forums out there - so maybe it's just me. LOL -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their primary goal. I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here. :) -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com |
Completely uncalled for. Kalera raised some great points, and your
abrasive, abusive post makes you appear very unintelligent and belligerent. WC has had problems for a long time, and there are many people who feel this way about it. It's her right to call them out on censoring private messages, and to let the beadmaking community know about it. It's called "word of mouth" and it's very effective. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net Oh, boo hoo. Geez. It's "their" website/forum. They can do what they want, including making a friggin' profit, banning fools, and monitoring content! One nice thing about the internet is that there is no shortage of domain names and web servers. You don't like somebody's website or forum? Start yer own with yer own precious "core values", already. Let's see how long YOU remain non-profit and altruistic. You need to get a life if some forum has you "really, really upset". It's a simple solution: Just don't go there any more. "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their primary goal. I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here. :) -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com |
Then Kalera needs to keep her whining over on the bead forums and not in
rec.crafts.glass. WC is paying for web server space and providing a forum. You don't like the way they do things? TOUGH. It's their game, it's their rules. Get over it, or get gone. Nobody should ever have the expectation of privacy in posting "private" messages on a public forum. What dreamworld are you living in? "Kandice Seeber" wrote in message ... Completely uncalled for. Kalera raised some great points, and your abrasive, abusive post makes you appear very unintelligent and belligerent. WC has had problems for a long time, and there are many people who feel this way about it. It's her right to call them out on censoring private messages, and to let the beadmaking community know about it. It's called "word of mouth" and it's very effective. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net Oh, boo hoo. Geez. It's "their" website/forum. They can do what they want, including making a friggin' profit, banning fools, and monitoring content! One nice thing about the internet is that there is no shortage of domain names and web servers. You don't like somebody's website or forum? Start yer own with yer own precious "core values", already. Let's see how long YOU remain non-profit and altruistic. You need to get a life if some forum has you "really, really upset". It's a simple solution: Just don't go there any more. "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... I have recently found out that Wetcanvas is actively censoring certain links (to other forums) out of private messages between users... and this really upsets me. I personally have made furthering accurate information about lampworking one of my core values, and it breaks my heart to see a popular company that actively seeks to "protect" its customers from other sources of information. WC is now a for-profit company, and profit has for some time gradually been rising over the sharing of information as their primary goal. I can't talk about this freely on WC, so I am talking about it freely here, since I don't run the risk of censorship and this is a completely uninvolved place. I'm really, really upset about this; although I had some time ago made the decision not to post any tutorials to WC (I am not giving a profit-seeking company my hard work for free) and have been wavering on the decision of whether to advertise with them. Well, that decision is made; my dollars go elsewhere. I spend over $2000/yr on advertising and not a penny of it will go to them... meanwhile, I WILL be contributing, financially and otherwise, to not-for-profit forums like www.Artglassforum.com and www.ISGB.org, not to mention putting my body and voice in places where I think I can make a difference, like here. :) -- -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com |
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